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@Morello: support options still suck

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Shurelia Shurelia's Avatar ?? Associate Game Designer
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04-01-2011

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Originally Posted by A Rye Bread God View Post
I long for the days of the heal-poke meta, compared to this tanky-dps meta, that was heaven.



Heal sustain is fine in my opinion, I've read your explainations on it before, and it's always just your personal opinion of how you don't like healing. Never any actual negative impact it has on game play.

Are you telling me that if you buffed Soraka's Q and gave her a passive that was actually worth-a-**** she would some how be OP because she can heal too?

@Shurelia, REALLY disappointed in you with the buffs to Sona. Sort of lost any faith I had in you in regards to knowledge of support.

She needed BUFFS and BIG ONES, not rebalancing. You nerfed the base numbers on Q to buff the AP ratio, not what she needed. The passive change failed hard too.

Do you guys even play test this stuff? I feel like if you had actually play tested the changes to Sona with anyone who actually knows what they are doing you would know that this change was really mediocre.

I'll take what I can get in regards to buffs for Soraka and Sona, but man you really missed the mark. Was hoping for Sona to be close to Janna, but she's still S-Tier.
What does she need then? Your post didn't really say anything.

 
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What does she need then? Your post didn't really say anything.
Call me crazy, but from the tone of that post I'd say he isn't really looking for a dialogue...

 
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ApolloPR ?? Senior Member
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What does she need then? Your post didn't really say anything.

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Originally Posted by A Rye Bread God View Post
I long for the days of the heal-poke meta, compared to this tanky-dps meta, that was heaven.



Heal sustain is fine in my opinion, I've read your explainations on it before, and it's always just your personal opinion of how you don't like healing. Never any actual negative impact it has on game play.

Are you telling me that if you buffed Soraka's Q and gave her a passive that was actually worth-a-**** she would some how be OP because she can heal too?

@Shurelia, REALLY disappointed in you with the buffs to Sona. Sort of lost any faith I had in you in regards to knowledge of support.

She needed BUFFS and BIG ONES, not rebalancing. You nerfed the base numbers on Q to buff the AP ratio, not what she needed. The passive change failed hard too.

Do you guys even play test this stuff? I feel like if you had actually play tested the changes to Sona with anyone who actually knows what they are doing you would know that this change was really mediocre.

I'll take what I can get in regards to buffs for Soraka and Sona, but man you really missed the mark. Was hoping for Sona to be close to Janna, but she's still S-Tier.
Just from what i read. Don't tank my word for it

 
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Shurelia Shurelia's Avatar ?? Associate Game Designer
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Call me crazy, but from the tone of that post I'd say he isn't really looking for a dialogue...
Was kind of my point... = )

 
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Couple of things.

1) Solo queue isn't the only queue there is. Teams designed to abuse sieging towers for the whole time ARE a problem, and balancing has to be done for ranked premade/tournament play first while not having any degenerative elements for lower ratings or solo queue.
2) /facepalm. I already explained why that doesn't work in draft environment (the main focus of top level play).
3) How can you push or do dragon/baron when they will eat your turret at the time you go for another objective? You also cannot defend 4v5 else the tower will be eaten before you accomplish anything at all.

Sorry but it seems you never played against such a team yourself.

You see to be failing to realize how the new added champions and balance changes would change the old scenario of heal-poke comps.

 
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Shurelia Shurelia's Avatar ?? Associate Game Designer
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Are you telling me that if you buffed Soraka's Q and gave her a passive that was actually worth-a-**** she would some how be OP because she can heal too?
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Soraka's passive is amazing... = /

 
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I do too, and I have yet to see them mention how this has a negative impact on the game in any way.
Sustained healing gameplay has one easy to explain, major problem. It makes it hella likely that if you're the team without a healer, you simply lose. If they can afford to keep harassing and losing HP, and you cant. You've pretty much lost.

 
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Gundaime Kai ?? Senior Member
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I'm working to fix the low selection of support right now. No I'm not on the Riot Team (Altho I want to be when I get outta college) I jsut have some champion suggestions I'm working on lol cuz seriously the selection isn't that great

 
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J Pixel ?? Senior Member
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Because no good company wants supports to out heal champion damage. So by nerfing them in pvp they make the games shorter and quicker. Now days, 1 tank 4 dps is usually better then 1 tank 3 dps and 1 support.

 
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What does she need then? Your post didn't really say anything.

Delete the current passive, and add another passive that convert some of the % of his current health into ap. (for sona).

For taric, instead of health, lets say armor, or make his skills scale with armor.

For Soraka, idk, maybe make her passive go up with levels?