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@Morello: support options still suck

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BadgerDrool ?? Senior Member
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04-01-2011

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Originally Posted by Arc insanity View Post
karma isnt the BEST support but she is better than soraka and sona right now. i would say she is up there with zilean and janna, but she requires a knowledgeable team and vent/teamspeak etc. to be truly good. while zilean and janna dont require your team to be as knowledgeable or organized
Karma has more "fat out of frier" capabilities . W. nuff said.



So to throw out some feedback of my own.
I feel that part of the reason people do not notice heals is graphics.

Janna's bubble is nice and big and glowy and the white bar on your health bar is even more obvious. Her Knockup is really graphically visceral. Her ult is..well you KNOW shes using her ult.

In comparison...you hardly notice Soraka casting anything beyond Starfall. A bigger particle effect could have unexpected dividends in how good it feels.

Take wish for example. What if it gave a 3 second buff called "Feels good" and while this buff was up the character sparkled a bit? What if a moon beam shot down over everyones head when you hit wish all glowy? Wouldn't these things just shout SORAKA JUST USED WISH PRAISE HER FOR YOUR LIVING.


And then to compare Infuse and Dazzle. Dazzle has a few problems in that it's a slow moving projectile. These problems make it much more viscerally satisfying then Infuse. A Taric Dazzles, you see it fly, you see the enemy stop, and you know he just CCd. You don't even need to see the swirly stuff above his head.


Now heals in general. Green bar, empty space. You get healed more green.
Shield. Green Bar, Empty space. Green Bar, White bar, Empty space. Heal = the white bar.

So what if instead Heals where blue, and worked the way damage is shown in red.
Green Bar, Empty Space > Wish. Greenbar, LOTS OF BLUE > Full green bar.
Holy **** I just got healed for oodles.


TLDR:
Give some flashier visuals to some of these under appreciated spells and see if it helps.

 
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Shurelia Shurelia's Avatar ?? Associate Game Designer
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Whatever, this thread is dead now.

Shurelia just wanted to argue and ignore the legitimate questions.
= (

face - > palm

 
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Liath ?? Senior Member
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Shurelia, tell us about what kinda fun experiments you get to do with support champion stats and spells and stuff when you get a "make support better" mandate. Anything like the solo-multiplier? Other stuff?

 
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BadgerDrool ?? Senior Member
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Whatever, this thread is dead now.

Shurelia just wanted to argue and ignore the legitimate questions.
I've addressed this. You have 0 legitmacy. You've created none for yourself.

You've made statements and questions. She's answered them. With questions. You didn't oblige her an answer.

Seriously your actually really bad at this.

 
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Whatever, this thread is dead now.

A Rye Bread Godjust wanted to argue and ignore the legitimate questions.
Fixed.

 
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= (

face - > palm
Hate to interrupt but what did Morello mean with this?

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Originally Posted by Tornadine View Post
It might also have something to do with Janna being hit with the nerf bat every 6 patchs or so.

The latest nerf on her ult just made it harder to protect squishy carries.

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That, maybe, but I believe it's due to the fact carries aren't being used in quite a few high elo games. Why support squishies when you don't use any?

The last nerf was near-superfluous.

 
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Arc insanity ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by BadgerDrool View Post
Karma has more "fat out of frier" capabilities . W. nuff said.



So to throw out some feedback of my own.
I feel that part of the reason people do not notice heals is graphics.

Janna's bubble is nice and big and glowy and the white bar on your health bar is even more obvious. Her Knockup is really graphically visceral. Her ult is..well you KNOW shes using her ult.

In comparison...you hardly notice Soraka casting anything beyond Starfall. A bigger particle effect could have unexpected dividends in how good it feels.

Take wish for example. What if it gave a 3 second buff called "Feels good" and while this buff was up the character sparkled a bit? What if a moon beam shot down over everyones head when you hit wish all glowy? Wouldn't these things just shout SORAKA JUST USED WISH PRAISE HER FOR YOUR LIVING.


And then to compare Infuse and Dazzle. Dazzle has a few problems in that it's a slow moving projectile. These problems make it much more viscerally satisfying then Infuse. A Taric Dazzles, you see it fly, you see the enemy stop, and you know he just CCd. You don't even need to see the swirly stuff above his head.


Now heals in general. Green bar, empty space. You get healed more green.
Shield. Green Bar, Empty space. Green Bar, White bar, Empty space. Heal = the white bar.

So what if instead Heals where blue, and worked the way damage is shown in red.
Green Bar, Empty Space > Wish. Greenbar, LOTS OF BLUE > Full green bar.
Holy **** I just got healed for oodles.


TLDR:
Give some flashier visuals to some of these under appreciated spells and see if it helps.
I whole heardetly agree with you ! some graphical and cosmetic changes could make healing overall more fun , and that why we play this game right? to have fun?right?....

 
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Shurelia Shurelia's Avatar ?? Associate Game Designer
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Shurelia, tell us about what kinda fun experiments you get to do with support champion stats and spells and stuff when you get a "make support better" mandate. Anything like the solo-multiplier? Other stuff?
The current idea is to make their abilities stronger and more clutch. This was seen with the Astral Blessing change.

Really it was just to do a re-pass on all supports with some new support-type character formulas which reward damage builders with higher damage, and supportive builders better supporting power and self-staying power through items.

 
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Originally Posted by BadgerDrool View Post
Karma has more "fat out of frier" capabilities . W. nuff said.


...

So what if instead Heals where blue, and worked the way damage is shown in red.
Green Bar, Empty Space > Wish. Greenbar, LOTS OF BLUE > Full green bar.
Holy **** I just got healed for oodles.


TLDR:
Give some flashier visuals to some of these under appreciated spells and see if it helps.
qft look at how shield play has changed!

 
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Buk Wild ?? Senior Member
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What makes you think she's GOOD with Soraka?


Never seen Shurelia high rated.

I respect Phreak and Classick out of all the reds, because they are actually at the top of the player base. I wouldn't argue with them about their builds.
Have you ever read any of Shurelia's posts about balance? This thread doesn't count because she said she was busy but when she talks she just knows wtf she is talking about