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@Riot, who has been the most challenging champion to balance?

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Gencat ?? Senior Member
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04-13-2011

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Actually, yes. Need systems fixed to make these guys good, but I'm looking forward to that!
So instead of nerfing every Fotm hero this community picks up and already fine heroes like Nidalee, spend more time in fixing Panth/Twitch.

 
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Ticklestick ?? Senior Member
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04-13-2011

I am with Gencat personally. That stealth rework should be a top priority, that is what the balance dudes should be working on, not butchering xin.

 
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04-13-2011

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I am with Gencat personally. That stealth rework should be a top priority, that is what the balance dudes should be working on, not butchering xin.
We're on our...13th iteration I think?

Obviously, not an easy problem to solve.

 
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Rofl, yeah I remember xypherous' thesis on the situation. I'm pretty sad by the amount of trash tier champs though. Oddly enough 2 of my old favorite champions were twitch and galio. That was back when I started playing so I wasn't really good enough to cash in so to speak.

 
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We're on our...13th iteration I think?

Obviously, not an easy problem to solve.
why do people complain so much about stealth? it's another game mechanic, sure it's annoying but dont take away the variety from the game....

 
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Hooplaa ?? Senior Member
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We're on our...13th iteration I think?

Obviously, not an easy problem to solve.
Where were the other 12?

 
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Ticklestick ?? Senior Member
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04-13-2011

because old eve and old twitch were overpowered as hell with stealth. They won't remove stealth, they are going to change it so it isn't so binary I'd imagine.

The problem comes when someone like eve is stronger than a non stealth champion (or even on par) with the current stealth system. If eve or twitch is as strong as ashe for instance, why would you ever play ashe? You could be invisible and safe until the perfect time to strike!

So until they get a method of stealth that isn't quite so "lol i'm completely invisible for 40 seconds" they can't make either of them very good.

 
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Garridy ?? Senior Member
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04-13-2011

I imagine that doing the stealth rework is a lot like guess and check. Many iterations that may work but you have to try out each one.

Did this work? Nope.
How about this? Nope.
Maybe this? Nope
This one? Broke something else (Nope).
Im resorting to dartboard now...
ect.

:P

 
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Rofl, yeah I remember xypherous' thesis on the situation. I'm pretty sad by the amount of trash tier champs though. Oddly enough 2 of my old favorite champions were twitch and galio. That was back when I started playing so I wasn't really good enough to cash in so to speak.
Galio's not trash-tier anymore.

 
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why do people complain so much about stealth? it's another game mechanic, sure it's annoying but dont take away the variety from the game....
Because it create bad behaviors as trhe best tactics. Stealth in the laning phase? Do not fight anyone - it's too risky. This exaggerates farming even more and leads to a really boring game if this is a viable strat.

This is important - you don't want to encourage stuff that makes the game super boring if you counter it properly. And zero-action laning phases are boring.