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whelp guess I'm gonna have to keep playing teemo forever

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Teemo got buffed?

Teemo didn't get the right buffs sadly. A cd timer on 'move at other champion's speed when not hit' doesn't count as a buff. Compare with otehr speed buffs with faster higher damage better scaling champs it doesn't do the job it needs to.

Minor change in health is welcome but doesn't address core problems (there are multiple well thought out threads on Champion Feedback forum) and is not enough to fix his squishiness, short range and vulnerablilty.

A slight change in mushroom activation time is ok if you are dropping them while dueling but won't fix lack of escape/natural squishiness problem.

Teemo by most people is described at best as 'annoying.' Even Rainman (most notable high end Teemo player) comments that constant nerfs have left him in a bad place.

I love Teemo, love the principles and design behind his playstyle but you have to work a lot harder with Teemo to achieve the same results as you do with just about any other champ in a role Teemo can fulfil.

Teemo is a very niche play style. He is a counter pick and also aside from the rare solo top Corki or Graves is one of the only ranged carrys that can go top. Why? He counters aggression and gives map awareness. A common misconception about Teemo is his lack of escape. Use movement speed quints hit move quick and you are super safe in the lane phase. Do you really have to work hard as Teemo? To an extent yes. But I feel in no way as an avid Teemo player that he is lacking in any department.

I should also address Rainman. Rainman played split push Teemo by using his movespeed and passive mechanics. This Teemo play style was nerfed with hits to his movespeed and passive. I honestly think Rainman just wants his old Teemo back and is to stubborn to settle for anything less.

Tl;Dr Teemo is a counter pick so he will not be viable in every situation. You do have to work harder at teemo SOMETIMES but I really don't see it being that big of an issue as he can shut down ranged dps for 2.5 seconds.

Hi Elo

Problem is 'counterpick' is a feature not a role. Having it as a role is a bad design principle when creating champions. Teemo needs to be looked at so he has a defining role and is not just 'a good top laner against Tryn etc'

Incredibly short range, + low (almost lowest) base move speed + natually incredibly squishy is not a good combination. Map awareness is nice but wards are better with greater range and more reliable. Additionally wards don't give away that you are now aware that where the enemy is. Also oracles > mushrooms.

I don't mind that split push Teemo no longer exists. But 'counterpick' Teemo is not a valid alternative.

Something you should understand about Teemo first. He is the single most remade champion in the game. Seven times I am pretty sure. He is hard to balance out. I would much rather him be forced into counter pick than useless see: Kayle.

Agree with you about Kayle, though at times with a good start Kayle can be beastly with an AS Shred build. I have seen good Kayle vaporize teams and due to speed boost heal + ult can be tanky enough to survive to do the role, or if enemy are focusing someone else pop ult and shred while the burn cds on the wrong person (takes timing).

Teemo on the other hand doesn't have those advantages. I can't say I know about his 7 reworks, I do know about a lot of his nerfs and none of the stuff I have read about Teemo seem to include info of reworks on a Kayle/Tryn scale.

I would much rather he (and some other older champs) were tweaked to fit in with current design principles then the endless spam of new champs we are receiving. New champs could be released at half the rate and the player base would still have enough new stuff to keep in interested.

I don't agree with the argument of 'leave him where he is cause he might get worse.' its a very bad way to look at the game or request fixes. It is not a good situation to say 'this champion is only really viable based on choices made by the other team.' Its ok to say X champion is great and is a really good counterpick for A,B,C champions.'

Don't even compare Teemo with Kayle. Kayle can take his build and do way better then him. How could they make Teemo worst? He's already one of the worst champion in the game. Like Chaede said, these buffs are good news because it at least means that they are looking at him, but it does not fix any of his core issues, and I sure hope it won't stop there and that he get more then "almost unnoticable" buffs (like the 3 on MF's ult).

@Chaede Mind if I quote you for my Teemo post in champion feedback?