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Norak ?? Senior Member
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07-11-2012

Can we take a look at AP Tryndamere? I know by now almost everyone has either forgotten, or the people that were here have left, but AP Trynd was a viable build. A viable and fun build. There have been many threads on the topic over the course of a whole year. Yeah, for those that were here during the Trynd remake, that was a year ago. It was a year ago today that Morello said this:

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As far as I know, it shouldn't. I'll talk to Guinsoo and see if we've made sure to give consideration to the AP build, since it's fun and there's no real reason to remove it.
The problem wasn't that the build was "removed", it was just made utterly useless. If you pick AP Trynd now, you're a liability to your team. After the remake notes were made public, this much was obvious. Luckily Shurelia saved the day with some insight into the situation:

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I just spoke with Morello regarding this topic, and he said that he would like for that build to still be viable.

It was killed due to removing a lot of natural crit on him, and making him much more reliant on AD items.

While we do love alternate builds and would like to encourage them, its difficult to find an elegant solution in this case that accomplishes what we want with the main build.... as the main build is always going to be a higher priority. (Of course that makes me sad as a lover of off-builds)

So right now the stance on it is, we would do it when we can devote the time to finding an elegant solution. This isn't exactly a top priority, so I can't say exactly when.

I hope this at least answers your questions.
Most of the long term objectives on the roster seemed to be fulfilled, is there not time to devote to finding an elegant solution now? It's not like an elegant solution would be extremely long and drawn out, I have offered my hand in helping to show where AP Trynd needs help, and I honestly believe there are easy steps to solving his problems without changing AD Trynd in the slightest.

This is after AP Trynd was hyped up, and the some people believed that he would actually be stronger:

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I'm seriously scared about AP Trynd next patch now that Bloodlust can be cast with no stacks (0 Fury). I' not saying this will become a FotM (I really hope not >.>), but I am definitely geared to see some AP Trynd heal trolling / kiting entire teams. Guess we'll just have to see. =)
After many months, I wanted to see if he was even being considered anymore. I was graced by posts by both Morello and Xypherous on the subject. Although I didn't agree with their ideals, it was good to see what they thought on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
Basically, the crux of this issue is that AP Trynd was something you used to enjoy and is no longer viable. If extrapolated out, you'd also say you wish there were more weird off-builds for champions that were also good.

Overall, that makes plenty of sense and I wouldn't disagree.

I don't like removing stuff like this (as it does remove fun, in cases like this), but sometimes you have to in order to make a character overall more viable and still be fun. The changes to Tryndamere have clearly made him better in his classic AD role, and the cost was his AP role. Sometimes, we have to weigh costs-vs-benefits and understand the big picture, and sometimes a subset of players can feel the cost more heavily than others (AP Trynd, for example).

It doesn't mean we can't mess with it a little to get some of that feel back, but with Fury working the way it does, it'll never be what it used to. These are the tough kinds of decisions we have to make sometimes for the entire game, and while we'd obviously like to only make players more happy, very little is free in terms of improving the game overall.

I also do take slight offense to not thinking we care about the "common man." I mean, why else would we come on the forums at all? :P
After 365 days of waiting, there does not seem to be much else in the way. Xin's remake is coming, even the Stealth rework will be out soon. A small solution to AP Tryndamere would mean a lot, for any effort put in. It's becoming increasingly harder to make these threads. More often than not people are just blindly downvoting without even reading a sentence, purely because "AP TRYNDAMERE? MORE LIKE AP TROLLDAMERE" and I'm tired. I'm just plain tired.

Please, just tell us you're looking into the thought of thinking about maybe doing something in the future somewhere down the track. Please?

I know that I'm going to have to please the community to get anywhere near the amount of time I need for this to be seen. I'm throwing away the pride I used to have in posts, where I avoided TL;DR's at all costs. As the great man Homer Simpson once said "You don't make friends with Salad", well it's not a surprise to say you don't make friends with pride either. So here it is:

TL;DR: AP Trynd was good, he was fun. Now he is useless. It's been a year, Riot employees have talked around the subject, but nothing has been done for 365 days. Please look into it now that everything else is finished.

I'll upload some pictures of pre-remake Trynd so less people automatically assume I am trolling.

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I want tryn buffs all-around =/ why they nerf him so much...
Thanks,
Norak.

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Helorik ?? Senior Member
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07-11-2012

TL about AP Tryn
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unbeliavable ?? Senior Member
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Ap trynd roit pls

 
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Tyko ?? Senior Member
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you shouldn't be building him as AP regardless....

 
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umadredsbro ?? Senior Member
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07-11-2012

i dont think AP tryndamere is as high a priority as you would think.

there are far more important issues than fixing a build that was not properly intended in the first place.

AD Lux & Brand & Annie, let's take. I'd put them in the same field as AP Tryndamere in terms of importance. Even Crittlesticks seems to be around the same area.

Sorry, not going to agree with you on this one. Would prefer other changes first rather than the possible ****up of tryndamere once again, for the n'th time.

 
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Norak ?? Senior Member
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you shouldn't be building him as AP regardless....
Not anymore, I agree, but he was ridiculously good fun and actually pretty strong before the remake. I don't know what you're saying regardless of though...

 
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07-11-2012

I was never around to see ap Tryn, but my friends trolls sometimes and uses it lol. I would love to see a remake to make ap Tryn viable looks like fun!

 
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07-11-2012

bumping for u

 
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Norak ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by umadredsbro View Post
i dont think AP tryndamere is as high a priority as you would think.

there are far more important issues than fixing a build that was not properly intended in the first place.

AD Lux & Brand & Annie, let's take. I'd put them in the same field as AP Tryndamere in terms of importance. Even Crittlesticks seems to be around the same area.

Sorry, not going to agree with you on this one. Would prefer other changes first rather than the possible ****up of tryndamere once again, for the n'th time.
Feel free to disagree, but the changes that I have proposed oft actually don't affect AD Tryndamere in almost any way, he turns out almost exactly the same as he is now, maybe with a slight buff to his E, though.

 
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Tyko ?? Senior Member
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Not anymore, I agree, but he was ridiculously good fun and actually pretty strong before the remake. I don't know what you're saying regardless of though...
well lets see

free crit from passive
free ad from his q passive
reduces enemy AD by 80 at max rank, meaning melee vs melee you'll win most fights
R gives you short invincibility, in which you can attack as many times as possible. spinning slash is your only damage output, and you can cast it maybe max two times in that period

lifesteal is stronger than spellvamp when the only damage you have that isn't autos is your spinning slash

ap shouldn't have been viable in the first place, his kit is very obviously meant for an ad-based build.
i couldn't care less if his q/e have the ability to scale well with ad, you're tossing the majority of his kit away by doing that.