Originally Posted by Zerocaliber
And I am telling you that you are wrong and giving you just as many reasons why. You don't get it do you? You can sit here and point fingers at me all day and continue to tell me why I am making inaccurate assumptions and false statements and I can do the same thing back at you. The key here is that I wouldn't have started my argument by telling you how much of an idiot you are. However, since you felt the need to initially start off your criticisms with pointless insults, it leads me to believe that you are desperately trying to prove you are superior to me (quite badly I am afraid) and continue to fight with me to redeem your earlier statements.
I also like I how I addressed each of your points and you only managed to come back slightly against a SINGLE one of mine. Where is your talon rebuttal hmm? And I love how you tell em that the examples don't help me, but don't even so much as attempt to explain why. If you really wanted to drive any semblance of a point you might have home, then I suggest you explain yourself.
Now, onto the discussion of the characters. MF, yes, but for a while she did magic damage and they actually changed it to physical to HELP HER OUT. What was that? O, that's right, they felt that it would increase her DPS by making her magic damage ultimate do physical damage.
And frankly, once again, I don't see how the fact that the magic damage is on their ultimate changes anything. We were talking about AD champions doing to much of another type of damage no? Corki and Kog'maw can both use their ultimates at least as often as TF can use WC, if not more. Kog'maw's is actually a very powerful and spammable one provided he can keep the mana for it up (not impossible if he acquires blue buff). They still are doing as much, if not more magic damage than TF is. TF sacrifices a lot of damage by having an entirely utility based ultimate, but that doesn't mean his actual abilities can't also do magic damage while scaling with AD. Why does it matter whether the damage source comes from an ultimate or an ability that isn't his ultimate? His main damage source will still be his auto attacks. But once again, you make the same fallacies, you are not looking at the entire kit as a whole. I guess I can't expect you to look at the big picture can I?
They absolutely can use their abilities just as much if not more. However, they can't use their abilities to hit every single creep in a wave to do all the farming for them while also having a chance to hit a champion. They ALSO have far lesser scaling than you propose (.5 bonus AD scaling on kog's, and .2 (regular) or .3 (big one) for corki). They also both require good aim. Corki's missile doesn't pass through minions, and kog's ult requires some micromanagement to place right. TF's wild cards are cast and forget.
Oh, and my point in asking that was because you're asking for buffs in the wrong area. Graves isn't a viable AD carry because he has AD scaling wildcards (although he in fact does basically have that), he is viable because he was given the correct tools to allow him to AD carry.
Points you've made:
- I attack you a lot. Agreed, I do, because I feel like if you were unleashed and allowed to make the changes you come up with this game that I enjoy playing would fall apart quickly. I understand how uncool ad hominem is, but really, I do not care at this given instant.
- I must be a bad player because of the points that I make about TF not having the tools to be an AD carry. You're actually using ad hominem here yourself, which not only makes you hypocritical, but also makes you seem ridiculous, because I am spot on in my analysis of why TF simply doesn't work as an AD carry (bring that one up to morello, xypherous, or even someone as good at balance as jatt, and they'll agree that I'm at least not as far off the mark as you are)
- AD TF would be doing primarily physical damage. Yet you're giving him Talon's rake on a shorter cooldown longer range and as magic damage. He might be doing more total physical damage to the targets he is focusing, but his harassment with magic and total magic damage done would be way out of control. Why even build carry TF if you can just build AD TF and play the same role of caster TF better than you would as an AD carry (which you would, because AD carry TF would still be garbage for reasons noted above, he would just turn into AD caster TF, at which point I ask again, why not just play AP TF?)
Edit: and if you do not think that graves has CC, I do not know what to feel for you. Smoke screen is a seriously potent tool to have on your team, and not for the slow. Crowd control does not equal stuns. Consider the meaning of the words themselves.
Oh, and a thing to note about how our ad hominem differs: I attack you because your ideas (which ARE in fact the subject matter and are thus definitely relevant) are ****, and my attacks on you are based upon the idea that they are ****. I am not calling you stupid, I am not saying that you are bad at this game. I am telling you that these would be poor poor decisions. Certainly in a manner that is much more harsh than that, and you could (and did) extrapolate that I am saying that you are bad or something, but that really isn't the case. I suppose communication is two directions, and I am partly responsible for this, but I can't help it if you decide to interpret what I say as telling you that you are so bad.
Your attacks against me do nothing but say that I am a poor player, and thus do not even comprehend what you are saying, something that I understand to be irrelevant to the fact. I am not going to say you are wrong, because it doesn't matter if you are wrong. It has nothing to do with the issue at hand whether I am a platinum player or a guy who played 5 games as tryndamere in coop vs ai beginner mode.