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Originally Posted by Rauhel
I'm sorry. I tried to be as objective as I could, and I know I failed in some areas. Pentakill Olaf was brought to my attention by my friend. She said she KNEW he was going to be used as a counterargument anytime a player beings up gender representation just like Tryndamere. And she's right. That night I logged in to see joke threads about Olaf making people feel bad about their bodies. The thing is, Olaf is not presented in a sexual fashion, and I will stand by my guns that he is not conventionally attractive. Gragas is morbidly obese, and there are fringe groups that are into that, but that doesn't mean I can honestly list him as a sexualized male champion.
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I agree with Gragas being a very off-the-wall example (but hey, different strokes for different folks). The thing is, Ryze is an even better counterpoint than Pentakill Olaf purely due to the impracticality of his garments (or lack thereof). My issue is that you take generalization to the extreme, and speak for your entire demographic when it's unjust to do so.
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Olaf and Tryndamere are also not conventionally attractive. Male beauty is not as defined as female beauty, and people's tastes tend to vary much more when it comes to me, but bodybuilders are usually never even brought up when people try to define the standard of male beauty. Personally, if you can have a career as a professional model, then we can talk about whether or not you are sexualized. Male models have a huge range of body types, but I have never seen a bodybuilder. That tells me that bodybuilding is just not sexy to a majority of people.
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/shrug Gragas is attractive to some people. And while "beauty" is differing for different people, you have to understand that not everyone finds people like Varus attractive. I've known people to say that even he would have a "body builder" body type, purely because he's not thin as a rail. Also, I would point out fitness models are larger than your average male runway model, and generally have overall more musculature, whereas a normal male model you'd typically see is usually thinner, generally a slighter build than your average joe on the street. Male models actually have to adhere to the same prescripts that female models do - tall, and skinny.
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In either case. Neither Tryndamere nor Pentakill Olaf present themselves as a sexual conquest. Can people find them attractive? Sure! But do they look like they care? Not at all. Meanwhile, a vast majority of female champions seem to go out of their way to make sure people think they are sexy. It's all about presentation. Does that make sense?
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I would argue that old Soraka doesn't care. I'd probably also say that Battle Bunny Riven with Giant Sword to Stab People With doesn't really care if people sexualize her. If all you look at is their pose and body type, you're analyzing the art completely wrong. Did you take time to look at their facial expressions, too? The weapons they are wielding, and how they are wielding them? "Presenting oneself" as a sexual conquest is actually pretty hard to do when they've got a huge ass weapon in your face. I would agree that Fiora and Sona manage to do so, however (Sona with her smirk - though this could be a Mona Lisa effect, Fiora with her pose, and generally hiding her weapon). I just think you could take the time to look at the WHOLE package and not just one or two things that suit your argument - hence I bring up the other Riven and Vayne skins earlier. Looking at JUST one skin from either champion is not looking at the WHOLE CHAMPION.
