Originally Posted by Chamenas
Yeah, maybe my issue is I play Shyvana, who doesn't seem to snowball well. I can also jungle Riven, but, for some reason, my Jungle Riven rarely seems to snowball as well as when I top with her. But maybe when/if I add some more snowball champs to the lineup I'll have that option. I do like playing Shyvana a lot though.
If you're playing Shyvana (who is not a very good ganker), your main priority should be crippling the other jungler and counter-ganking.
Here's how it works..
-Apply pressure in their jungle by stealing their buffs/camps. Always leave one minion in small camps, but completely clear large camps. Clearing large camps gives you the "timer" so you know when to show back up and contest it (or straight up steal it.)
-If their jungler ganks a lane on the opposite side of the map, you have 2 options: Either gank the opposite lane, or steal farm in the opposite side of the jungle.
-If you see them ganking a lane near your location, you should go in and counter-gank, as well as steal their jungle from that side of the map after you've chased them off, assuming they leave with low hp.
-Ping jungle locations constantly where the enemy buffs come up if you cannot get to them.. or if you're making your way to steal blue, tell your Mid to go help you take it.. Bot/Top can come help too.
-If one of your lanes is getting shut down, attempt to get the other lanes fed. You do not scale well into late game, but your AD carry does. If your AD carry is getting shut down, get Top and Mid fed. They can carry mid-game hardcore and either help you win or, or buy you enough time to get your AD carry farmed up.
-Gank before the enemy jungler. A successful level 2 gank can set you and the lane you ganked up for a dominant early game. Even missing out on 12 farm from having to recall can set a lane significantly behind.
-If you get First Blood, invest in an early oracles OR 1 kill and 1 assist OR 3 assists. Early oracles is expensive, but if you clear out 3 wards and get a double kill on bot lane because of it.. or even if you force enemy lanes to play more passively and spend more on wards, and furthermore, if you manage to secure an early dragon, it more than pays for itself.
I jungle Trundle, Jarvan, Rammus, Naut, and many others.. So for Shyvana I am not sure exactly what your build should be. I have jungled her but she's not one of my favorites. If you like how she plays, but dislike the fact that she has weak ganks, you may want to try Trundle. He's similar in his aggressive jungling style, but his ganks are much more brutal early game. Jarvan is more ganky and less counter-jungly, but he also scales much better into late game than Trundle or Shyvana and can fulfill the "tank" role a little better. Tanky junglers like Rammus and Nautilus you basically need to farm and gank. Counter-jungling really isn't your cup of tea, so you have to invest in more wards and depend upon your team to help protect your jungle, as well as counter-gank other lanes.
For Trundle and Jarvan, I go with the following core build:
Boots + 3 pots
Somewhere in there, I get an optional Oracles and buy several wards as well as a health pot any time before Wriggles. After Wriggles I don't need any pots. If my Mid AP carry needs Blue, sometimes I will invest in an early Philo Stone, because I need the Mana to stay on the battleground longer.
One route I have used a lot at lower Elo (Sub 1500) was to start Wolves, Blue, then immediately rush to enemy Red, and either steal it and gank top/bot, or wait for the enemy jungler (If I am sure I can kill them), and steal Red and kill them. If you start Red, you can gank at level 2 assuming you have a champ who can do that. (Mundo, Shyvana, Shen, Rengar, etc)
If you start blue and enemy starts Red, you should invade their blue and steal it, then immediately go to your blue, give it to your AP Mid, then go to your Red, pick that up, and gank.
Hope this helps.