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Great idea to improve performance on Low Settings!

View Poll Results: Riot should remake Very Low to true very low PCs and really improve FPS?
Yes! We have low PCs and low FPS, so we want more! 96 84.21%
NO! 18 15.79%
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Destroyzen ?? Member
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11-12-2012

Riot said LOL has a strong bug that make FPS drops with no reason... Every game i can start by 35 fps (it's nice for me), but along the game it's drops 25, 20 and finally 12 on late game. After playing 2-3 matches, the new fps rules is 18 starting and 8-10 late game.

I can even play GTA, Half-Life 2, etc. But not league of legends! This is so weird and Riot should fix it.

 
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SilentSounds ?? Senior Member
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11-13-2012

Sometimes I fall to 40... and for some reason I get 30 at fountain. Im good with teamfights tho...

 
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fred212 ?? Member
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11-13-2012

BUMP!!!!!!
dont start with the " buy new this and that, its just x$" we dont like those replies and besides you know we wont because we CANT if we could wouldnt you think we would have already bought a new "this and that"

 
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BlobPower ?? Senior Member
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11-13-2012

Things riot should and could do to increase the performance:
- Shut down the client while playing, or at least suspend it. Suspension works great, if somebody has enough RAM for the game, the client and Windows(2 GB+). If somebody has less RAM, killing the client and restarting it after a match is a must. And that's super easy to do from a coder's point of view.

- Stop the ridiculous HDD access to play sounds. Everytime a sound it played, it's not played, it's streamed from HDD. The problem might be just a single line of code that's wrong, but it's punishing everybody with a slow HDD. Anybody ever lagged when a jungler appeared and used his skills for the 1st time? Guess why that happens. Proof and how to confirm yourself:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/....php?t=1643508

- REMOVE FLASH FROM THE GAME CLIENT! YES, THE ACTUAL GAME, NOT THE CLIENT. If somebody doesn't think that flash is used in the game client, look at your log files. Stuff like "Flash swf Scoreboard.swf does not have a valid _global.ContentHeight defaulting" speaks for itself. And no i'm not going to explain why flash bad for computer games. Btw, the graphics update improved the flash code a lot, which caused the performance boost, it wasn't caused by the actual graphics update.

- 16 bit color mode to save video memory.

- Do some testing on low end systems instead of waiting for the forums to explode. Explode, because everytime a new champion is released, he/she has ridiculous effects even on lowest settings, which cause the game to lag hard. Which is totally unforeseeable of course...

PS: Forgot one important step:
- Add an option to disable logging completely. What's the point of the logs? I don't see any useful information there why the game is lagging, just 100s of errors and warnings, which everybody always gets with no exception.

 
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11-13-2012

i don't know anything 60FPS always

 
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Amzin ?? Senior Member
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11-13-2012

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Originally Posted by Gen Mezeral View Post
Riot likes to make it very hard for hackers to get any information that other people are not able to get. This means not constantly broadcasting the location of other champions unless you see them. This means that as soon as you see someone your client starts receiving information on where they are. Now these use a bit of your network, though I've noticed league isn't too network heavy. It's when you have jitter or packet loss that you really notice lag. Now to tie this into your FPS
Networking aside your FPS is in no way related to the internet or your ISP but your computer still has to process these things. So when that **** storm of packets hits your ancient computer your frames are going to drop.
The actual processing of the packets themselves is about as near to 0 as you can get on a computer. The packets translate into things that will burden the computer, such as animation, spell effects, etc., but the packets themselves are nothing that would help to optimize (and they likely are already fairly optimized).

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Originally Posted by BlobPower
- Shut down the client while playing, or at least suspend it. Suspension works great, if somebody has enough RAM for the game, the client and Windows(2 GB+). If somebody has less RAM, killing the client and restarting it after a match is a must. And that's super easy to do from a coder's point of view.
This is probably impossible with the architecture of the game, client, and pvp.net right now. They would essentially have to redesign the entire client (and parts of the game) to change this. And as you mentioned, it largely only affects the RAM, which is probably the least likely bottleneck anybody has. Hundreds or thousands of hours of work to change this is not a wise investment, especially when there's so many important improvements to make.
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- REMOVE FLASH FROM THE GAME CLIENT! YES, THE ACTUAL GAME, NOT THE CLIENT. If somebody doesn't think that flash is used in the game client, look at your log files. Stuff like "Flash swf Scoreboard.swf does not have a valid _global.ContentHeight defaulting" speaks for itself. And no i'm not going to explain why flash bad for computer games. Btw, the graphics update improved the flash code a lot, which caused the performance boost, it wasn't caused by the actual graphics update.
Flash is bad and it should feel bad. This would likely be a much faster, cleaner improvement than many other options, but still an undertaking.

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- 16 bit color mode to save video memory.
Sure, sounds good. No idea on what it would do/take as I'm no expert on color modes.

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- Do some testing on low end systems instead of waiting for the forums to explode. Explode, because everytime a new champion is released, he/she has ridiculous effects even on lowest settings, which cause the game to lag hard. Which is totally unforeseeable of course...
This is tricky, because it would be a system dedicated to testing League, which means it's going to work SIGNIFICANTLY better than someone's personal PC that they use every day and ALSO play League on. Any system that meets the minimum requirements is going to do reasonably well when it's just install Windows -> install League -> play League. Older PCs and Windows XP are far more prone to atrophy and attrition than new PCs and Vista/7. It's a good idea in theory, but unsure if it would have the desired affect.

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PS: Forgot one important step:
- Add an option to disable logging completely. What's the point of the logs? I don't see any useful information there why the game is lagging, just 100s of errors and warnings, which everybody always gets with no exception.
Riot probably has log parsing tools to clean out the clutter, and writing the logs is not much worse on the PC than processing packets above. I would say having it enabled by default and having an option to disable is probably the best of both worlds though.

I have no clue on the sounds from the HDD. The sounds should just go into RAM when the game loads like most everything else does, so yea that should probably be cleaned up if there's a bug there.

 
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iloveshasta ?? Junior Member
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11-14-2012

I have only one question, why would they do this? If you can't afford a computer that can play league well, why would you spend rp on it? One guy here said he gets less then 60 fps, but bought $50 in rp. Why? Its like I can't afford to eat, so I bought some new pants that look nice. Why would they waste time (time = money) on "fixing" the client for what i would assume is the lowest chance of spending money on the game. Sorry your parents won't buy you pc parts, to whoever was the one that said that in the thread.But seriously, to the guy who burned $50 on rp, why didn't you save that money to upgrade your computer?

 
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SpadeCA ?? Senior Member
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11-14-2012

This is now a ghetto cheap **** thread. People need to grow up.

I worked two days, at age 16 doing yard work and other miscellaneous ****, made 250 bucks. Bought a laptop with:
Intel I5 Dual Core at 2.4 Ghz w/ Intel HD Graphics.
8 GB DDR3 Ram.
HP Sandy Bridge Motherboard Stock.
500 GB HDD

Sorry if your working at McDonald's but, it pays to entrepreneur. It'll take months to build/Buy a PC if you don't work for what you earn.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Destroyzen View Post
Average FPS: 20
Teamfight FPS: 8
Processor: Intel Celeron 420 1.6GHz
RAM: 1,5GB
Graphic Card: Intel 82945G Express 256MB shared from RAM (onboard)
Most mini-books have more ram than that and a better graphics alternative. Not to mention the 5 year old 1 core processor.

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Originally Posted by bagObricks View Post
Your best bet is going to be a second hand machine, check places like pawn shops and see if you can't cash in on someone else's misfortune. I nabbed an alright laptop at one that gets me 10-20 fps consistently at low settings on most everything, though I have models at high and effects at mid, but that's a personal choice and I avoid ranked games as to not drag down team mates. The thing only cost me $200.
I agree with the "money is tight if your living on your own" scenario but $200 for 10-20 fps on low? You got ripped off, bad. You could easily make a better rig out a mid rate processor and Graphic card and pull 3x FPS on Medium.

 
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11-15-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpadeCA View Post
This is now a ghetto cheap **** thread. People need to grow up.

I worked two days, at age 16 doing yard work and other miscellaneous ****, made 250 bucks. Bought a laptop with:
Intel I5 Dual Core at 2.4 Ghz w/ Intel HD Graphics.
8 GB DDR3 Ram.
HP Sandy Bridge Motherboard Stock.
500 GB HDD

Sorry if your working at McDonald's but, it pays to entrepreneur. It'll take months to build/Buy a PC if you don't work for what you earn.



Most mini-books have more ram than that and a better graphics alternative. Not to mention the 5 year old 1 core processor.



I agree with the "money is tight if your living on your own" scenario but $200 for 10-20 fps on low? You got ripped off, bad. You could easily make a better rig out a mid rate processor and Graphic card and pull 3x FPS on Medium.
That rig is normally not $250... Especially a laptop.
And that's not being an entrepreneur btw, and entrepreneur only applies to those that create a business, not labor.

 
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11-15-2012

Anyways, Riot got tired of spending money on reverse compatibility.
So you just have to deal with it.
Not enough people are complaining to make it matter yet.
So get louder, or get more people, and MAYBE they'd change it.