No. Just no. I'm not even discussing this issue with you. You're just wrong.

Sej can be powerful under the right circumstances. But overall, she's clearly underpowered. She's TERRIBLY weak early on to a ridiculous degree, she's massively item dependant, her kit has glaring, blatant flaws that limit her usefulness and, as has been pointed out COUNTLESS times, there are several other champs who do more or less the same things as her but are simply stronger in many ways.

I'm sick of this "if you think Sej is UP you must be just bad" garbage. I've crushed opponents as Sej. But that's not enough to delude me into overlooking her massive flaws. And Riot have deliberately ignored her practically ever since her release. And I'm sick of it.

well ok

But I guarantee it will be much more fun for me!



Also first red to quote me!. Had to be said

Well ok if you start cloth 5

but then your ganks are even worse so....

I'm not pretending lol, I've extensively tested every single jungler that's viable in custom to figure out optimal runes/masteries (also credit to solo mid guides)

ha

Even if you start cloth+5 with full tank masteries, she has to skip twin golems because she's just THAT WEAK.

She's quite a bit easier on mana than Amumu.

So she's got that going for her I guess.

I like her more than Amumu just for her character. HAIL TO THE PIG!

Is it far off when I say Sejuani late game is Ult then walk around? Or the occasional surprise Q attack? Because when ever I see a Sejuani (which is rare) once her Ultimate is off she's kind of just there for a damage soak, and just walks around with her W on

That is good.

Please though be aware that the concerns from people over Sejuani are not usually because they abjectly hate her, but because they really want to enjoy her but do not.

It is my hope that the reasons for that become clear enough to address.

Nah i could do a full clear with cloth 5. It's slow as hell but yeah you do use all your pots up.

but what's the point considering you won't be pulling off a gank until boots unless someone on the other team decides level 2 tower diving is a great idea

ricklessabandon dedicated rioter to prove that someone at riot plays Sejuani. I guess I should pick her up, I got Karma because I wondered what all the fuss was about and she is fun to play. Then again I like to play bots so my opinion is probably null and void to most.

p.s. am I slow or do we have to new/lesser know ways to summon reds: mention Sej for rick, mention Fizz for Whatbyrn (can't remember his name