Originally Posted by FailTsukkomi

But she's *not* sexualized.

This is the point you're missing. Nami is not sexualized. Showing a bit of cleavage isn't sexualization. Sexualization goes far beyond simply showing some cleavage. It has to do with their pose, their attitude, etc.

Originally Posted by ihatebikeshorts

Having logic design-wise in a fantasy game is not a weakness. If anything it gives rise to even more creative things. Go to deviant art and look up some biologically realistic pokemon designs; not only are they good but the provide an excellent example of a balance between fantasy and biology.

Originally Posted by FailTsukkomi

But she's *not* sexualized.

This is the point you're missing. Nami is not sexualized. Showing a bit of cleavage isn't sexualization. Sexualization goes far beyond simply showing some cleavage. It has to do with their pose, their attitude, etc.

Originally Posted by IronStylus

50 pages.. no way I can read every one of these posts. To sum up though, despite what you may think, I am not the single point of failure in a scenario where a busty lady makes it through our pipeline. I'm here to be one of many voices that chimes in when appropriate. Can I flip a table or two? Absolutely, if I deem it unnecessary. I really wasn't too terribly concerned about Nami because, well, I think she's a cool design.

Did I notice the ruffles revealing some fish flesh? Yeah, I saw it months ago. Did I think it was particularly a good idea to poo-poo the design when it was on its way, when it was gathering momentum, and when it was being passionately worked on by the artist? Hell no. This will be this particular artist's first champion ever in the game. It's her show in that regard. I didn't find the cleavage to be a monumental red flag.

When I saw the concept I was like.. look at this stuff, isn't it neat? Wouldn't you think this concept's complete? Wouldn't you think she's the girl, the girl that has, everything? Look at those frills, how they unfold. How many wonders can one mermaid hold? Looking around here you think, sure, she's got everything. She's got flippers and scepters a plenty. She's got dashes and splashes galore. You want complementary curves? She's got twenty. But who cares, no big deal, she wants more.

She wants to be where the players are, she wants to see, wants to see them fighting, thinking inside of those, what do you call them? Oh, brains! Flipping to mid you don't get to far. Supports are required for healing, casting, strolling along on that.. what's that word again? Lane! Up where they toss, up where they stun, up where they lane all day in the sun, wandering free, wished she could be, part of that role.

What would she pay, if she could play, out of those waters? What sort of gift, would let her lift, up to the game? Betcha in the rift, they get the drift, that they appreciate their healers. Crowd controllers, supporting rollers, ready to sustain, and ready to help with Carry's job. Lock up the gankers and get some assists. What's a Baron, and how does it, what's the word? Buff! When's it enough? Wouldn't they love, love to play some support up above?

Out of the sea.

Wished she could be.

Part of that roll.



..tune in next time when I explain our champion creation process akin to how the mice put together Cinderella's dress.

Originally Posted by ihatebikeshorts

I can concede to that idea. But that being the case it makes me wonder what the purpose of the cleavage is even more so. It's not like artists add things willy-nilly to their designs because they can. Art, especially when having the theme of conveyance, is an involved process that takes understanding a character and then showing, in one image, who that character is. Superfluous details bog down that thesis. With superfluous details with a thesis such as conveyance, you get things like Templar Assassin with the HUGE shoulder pads? Why are they there? Probably because the designer wanted to do something nifty with no real purpose, which leads to a very incoherant design. So again, I must ask, what is the purpose of the fish boobs? There were so many other venues to design this champion that didnt' add that superfluous detail. I have the same problem with Eliese: she's not exactly a seductress so why is she conveyed as such?

Originally Posted by FailTsukkomi

You completely missed what they meant by conveyance. What conveyance means is that someone riding a giant Yeti isn't actually a mage. (Nunu)

Or that a zombie with a battleaxe isn't actually a mage too. (Sion)

Conveyance isn't "SHE SHOWS SOME CLEAVAGE OMG SHE'S A SLUUUUT"

Originally Posted by ihatebikeshorts

That's the most basic understanding of conveyance I've ever heard. That's like saying that Katarina is AD just because she uses knives. Conveyance goes beyond simple concepts such as "mage" or "assassin" or "fighter". WHAT kind of mage WHAT kind of assassin- who are they, what are they like? Personality, powers, all of that and then some are conveyed through the art and if you don't see it that just means you have a basic understanding of what they meant.