Originally Posted by Morello

We also decreased lane minion gold, meaning most laners will see similar gold, but the difference in 30 CS won't be as big between players. This will also open up more cross-lane ganking.

The thing is these numbers are easy to adjust, and our expectation is that we'll be changing things a lot after it comes out. Not day-1 (as learning curve is a factor and I don't trust a first-day analysis due to low exposure), but we'll be pretty aggressive.

Originally Posted by ScarletDeviI

Problem 7 : When you chose to just farm the jungle, you are not influencing the map at all. A laner is always there preventing the enemy team (or at least trying to) from taking the tower.

Originally Posted by Tsukuruya

Stonewall008, I was wondering if you have tried doing some different routes, like Season 1's old "Wolves -> Wraiths -> Golems -> B -> Full Clear" type of thing. I feel that the new jungle made it slightly so that its harder to invade...

Originally Posted by Bullettime7

Not going as severe as rage quitting myself but this does suck for those of us who almost exclusively play jungle and really got our hopes up for the new jungle given what they told us.

We got told jungle difficulty was increasing but the rewards were increasing so that farm heavy junglers could stay competitive. What we actually got was lane gold getting nerfed so jungle gold income didn't feel so crappy, staying at the same income as S2 but with stronger creeps. This means that the whole thing about "carry junglers" being more an option and being able to farm up the items they need won't be reality.

We got told one of the main reasons for the new jungle and the gold/camp changes was to encourage people to play farm and control junglers instead of camping bushes for kill gold. What we actually got was a state where gank junglers are stronger picks than ever before as farm junglers can't actually reap the benefits of the new jungle until after 11 minutes, a point in which you might not have jungle access for much longer and a point when your carries start taking your jungle for supplemental income. That last bit is now encouraged even more with the camps giving more gold at the point when carries start farming them.

There's almost no reason to not take a gank jungler in the new jungle as the farm heavy junglers don't see the changes intended for them until the point where it's too late and they lose their jungle creeps. A point where carries take the jungle and map/objective control becomes more important then farming,

Originally Posted by Morello

We also decreased lane minion gold, meaning most laners will see similar gold, but the difference in 30 CS won't be as big between players. This will also open up more cross-lane ganking.

The thing is these numbers are easy to adjust, and our expectation is that we'll be changing things a lot after it comes out. Not day-1 (as learning curve is a factor and I don't trust a first-day analysis due to low exposure), but we'll be pretty aggressive.

Originally Posted by yurklol

What the ____ did i just read? That's giving blue away to an invade even if it's just an invading nunu checking your blue. The reason we take a buff right away is to protect it from counter jungle. I sincerly hope I meet somebody who does this.