Originally Posted by SacredMesa

You're right maybe they are in the jungle, maybe they backed, perhaps they are farming their jungle, perhaps they are coming to gank you, maybe they are sneaking Vilemaw, maybe they are setting up an ambush while taking your alter.

Just because someone isn't on the map doesn't mean they are only doing one thing. Have that vision is a huge amount of utility and if I am forcing you to have a build of, Sweeper/Witchcap/Rylias/Sorc/BFT/Abyssal instead of WoTA/Witchcap/Rylias/Sorc/BFT/Abyssal, yes a bit of the silly example but it's spur of the moment and still makes my point, simply by existing in the game I would say again I'm getting plenty of value out of it.

Originally Posted by Omesh

Let me say real quick: Nunu SO belongs in Tier 1. He's amazing. He deals a huge chunk of damage just with Ice Blast, which is lovely, but he really does so much more:

*He screws up enemy mobility with Ice Blast. (And Absolute Zero.)
*He can reduce enemy damage with Ice Blast.
*He can increase team mobility and damage with Blood Boil, which means...
*...increased aggression and defense for your team.
*He can make good money and sustain well with his passive and Consume.
*Built properly, every few seconds he does 400 or so damage to one opponent, slows them down, reduces their attack speed, puts a nasty DoT on them, and reveals them for a few seconds. (Blackfire Torch/Hextech Sweeper.)
*He can dominate altars with his ultimate.
*He's an excellent Clairvoyance carrier.
*He's beefy.

If anyone ever doubts that Nunu is a boss on 3s, they're frigging crazy. He's outstanding.

Originally Posted by Uncle Jellyfish

Lulu tier 3? Is the OP's head in the clouds? She's easily a top support OR AP caster, as her damage and team support are both equally amazing, along with her mobility and poke. She thrives at pushing bruisers out of lane.

Originally Posted by EzpzGames

when I saw that skarner was put in tier 3... I knew right away this Tier list was ****.

Originally Posted by Fubguns

Why because you don't agree?

Skarner is Meh in 3s. He runs out of mana in the jungle cant gank at all until 6 and is very useless compared to other junglers. Also doesn't bring that much dmg.

Originally Posted by EzpzGames

you might want to play him before you speak. I don't think you understand his damage output, his cc, speed, tankyness, and the items you have to build to do all that. It's been proven by the few teams that use skarner, they understand that he is a god tier.

those teams hit Diamond with using skarner every match, and never loss.

I laughed hard when you said "Also doesn't bring that much dmg". That just tells me you have never played him.

Originally Posted by Fubguns

his cc? anyone can perma-slow in 3s with phage and his ultimate isn't on a short CD so u cant spam stun like other tanky dps irelia/renekton/jax/ect


He doesn't have alot of dmg he relies on magical to do dmg, and if he has no spell pen he will do no dmg. every tanky dps has scaling MR and will have MR runes so his Q/E/R wont do alot of dmg at all.

comparing to someone like mundo where his W/Q are magical but his E gives hima a huge steroid so he actually does dmg.