Because I can name a few that were left out:

Flat penetration+% penetration

You gave an item that gives good damage early game a way to keep scaling into late game and prevent any real counter-building

Survivability and damage

You gave an item with such immediate and long term benefits no reason not to rush it. People used to rush phage because it gave both health and AD. This is a bit extreme.


Extreme utility to ADCs

ADCs were supposed to be nerfed S3, but a well organized team containing a bruiser/assassin with BC and an ADC with LW causes them to actually get a very large jump in power, even if lifesteal, attack speed, and movement speed all took a hit.

Was there any input that caused you to bypass these obvious design flaws, or were they simply overlooked?

What was wrong with stacking flat reduction being applied by all forms of physical damage that % reduction fixed?

Randuin's Omen. Hard counters Black Cleaver.

People rushed Phage because of the slow proc. The item itself is relatively efficient for raw stats, but not specifically so.

Black Cleaver does not provide any multiplicative stats, so it is ill-suited for an ideal ranged AD carry build. It provides build-up mechanics, which is ill-suited for an ideal ranged AD carry build. It functions similarly to Aegis of the Legion; a teammate grabs it to increase your DPS while being efficient for them.

Retaining the 45 armor reduction: The item still has 20 armor penetration, meaning the one item would negate up to 65 armor, which is extremely high during the early mid-game when you're likely to have it.

Having 25 armor reduction instead: The item would quickly become meaningless in the face of a single chain vest; you would spent ~2500 gold for an advantage that disappears when the enemy spends ~700 gold.

To answer only the title of the thread:
To give Urgot some itemization, and hope that everyone else promises not to (ab)use it.

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Tried to quote the response about Randuin's doing nothing, but forums don't want to play along. While Randuin's *does* help, I'm really gonna agree with you on this one that it's barely noticable to have armor this season.

The problem is simply that % pen items stack too effectively, even though it is multplicative not additive stacking. The ONLY problem I have with BC is that the stacking debuff was switched to % not flat. The fact that % pen is now calculated BEFORE flat pen just makes the problem even worse. Switch the stacking debuff back to flat pen and BC is still good, but probably no longer a MUST HAVE on every AD character, and then building multiple armor items (dedicating not only gold but valuable item slots just to surviving) is suddenly a good option again. As it is now anyone with at least 9 points in offense and a BC+LW will shred through any ammount of armor stacking

False. Armor is useful and will help when Black Cleaver enters the field.

It didn't help beforehand when the flat armor penetration could be stacked, but that's been addressed.

~Not~ having armor against a black cleaver doesn't help you in the slightest.

Regardless of whether or not armor "helps", one gets better slot and cost efficiency building hp and atma's than gunning soley for enough armor to give respectable mitigation to physical damage champs. Armor in its current state is simply a bonus to the attack speed slows and hp that the most commonly purchased armor items give, rather than the most desired stat. 300 armor is easily mitigated to around 100, varying slightly depending on runes.

Tell me when in S1 or S2 black cleaver, or even brutalizer was considered a strong item. Every time I remember seeing it, it was on AD casters or people with insane AD steroids. Even on those same champions, I never remember one buying BC. Nobody outside of kayle and xin bought it, and only rarely did xin.

Please inform me of when AP and AD being able to bypass around 70 (with runes) of their respective resistance was considered unbalanced or even utilized at high level play.

There used to be a trade off for that damage, at least for AP. No merc treads, not many of either tanky or damage items, and having a midgame item rotting in your inventory. None of which AD champions had to deal with to the same extent. Combine ArPen runes with sunder mastery and you're already almost one item slot of efficiency ahead of AP in S2. Haunting guise compared terribly to brutalizer even then. Now comparing both item's upgrades, you should see why BC is a bit out of place.

There is no justifying the item, especially since its being abused by bruisers more than AD casters.