Originally Posted by Morello

I don't think the Essence Flux change is a good change, but I think you're looking at a general Ezreal problem with a correct diagnosis; without the AS Slow, the skill is lacking in interesting or defining qualities. This, additionally, can hurt AP Ezreal, but overall is something I think is lame for Ezreal in general.

Originally Posted by TheFinalAeon

I just want Trueshot Barrage to have actual AP Scaling again. Considering all of Ezreal's stuff is magic-based, he should have decent AP Scaling on AT LEAST his ult. At least make the scaling on par with the AD Scaling (which I think was a mistake to add to begin with, as it was basically AP Ez's main reason for living).

Your move, Morello.

Originally Posted by Morello

Let me talk high-level and then to your specific suggestions;

1) I tend to prefer off-builds that allow similar gameplay with different high- and low-points, or a different pattern altogether. An example of this is, while there's a power problem here, AP and AD Nidalee.

2) Support of off-builds should not sacrifice strong gameplay patterns of primary paths - for example, AP Tryndamere, before nerfs, subverted his entire gameplay pattern to abuse a mechanic. This is not worth supporting an off-build as the costs are higher than the benefits.

3) We have to primarily think of one thing to balance when tuning. It's more important that there's situations you build different items (such as Bloodthirster vs Infinity Edge vs Last Whisper) than you can build different scaling points.

Now, onto your post.

I think the Q and R changes are potentially pretty safe. I do think Ezreal is pretty balanced as an ADC right now. My only worry is the potential to remove satisfaction from AD Ezreal by lowering the damage of his two primary damage spells, but these numbers might be OK.

I don't think the Essence Flux change is a good change, but I think you're looking at a general Ezreal problem with a correct diagnosis; without the AS Slow, the skill is lacking in interesting or defining qualities. This, additionally, can hurt AP Ezreal, but overall is something I think is lame for Ezreal in general.

I'd like to see something that defines it, but my critiques here are: it does give an ADC access to a team-wide AS buff (both potentially OP, and potentially terrible based on who's on your team) and it doesn't actually do anything that I think helps AP Ezreal more than it helps Ezreal overall. That might be OK, but if your goal here, but it's agnostic to AP/AD.

Overall, I don't have an issue with AP Ezreal, I just think you guys are putting more value on this than it actually provides. You still do the same things, except you do one less thing - auto-attack - and with the low CD of Mystic shot, is it even possible to make that spell feel good on both builds without being absurd on one? I'm not convinced that it is. I think this is more something that's more based in the idea that it makes you feel special (and that's valid in a vacuum) but it doesn't actually do anything real, gameplay-wise. AP Kog'Maw, for example, I think does ofer a new pattern because you overly-focus on different skills, but there's still gameplay. Even in that situation it's hard to balance. I guess I understand there's a desire to have AP Ezreal from a core group of die-hard AP Ez fans, I just don't understand why he's the champion people focus on when there's no new gameplay to find within AP Ezreal.

I do feel, though, Essence Flux needs some mechanical help to define and differentiate it from Q and other damage spells generally. I'd like to see some work go into that.

Originally Posted by Morello

Mostly that I think that's just a wave-clear component overall. I guess if it had terrible bases and high ratios it would be AP Ez only, but I think I don't want to give Ezreal more farming ability since his Q and R is so helpful for getting CS. At that point, he lanes like Morgana, which I don't think any of us can speak to being an interesting and dynamic lane opponent.

Originally Posted by FallenBlade

Morello, what do you think of my idea for Ezreal's ult? (from my thread http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/...6#post35240306)

Give Ezreal’s Ultimate AP ratios on its damage falloff. The description for his ult would now look something like this.


Of course the numbers are just made up, but I hope you get my idea and maybe even try it out on the PBE

Originally Posted by Steven Mcburn

This is completely unrelated to anything said so far;


But don't you think Dfg+Gunblade Ez is by far burstier than people are giving him credit for? I mean, really.


Toss in a lichbane and a deathcap and you're rolling in high end spam magic dmg.

Originally Posted by Morello

I mean I think it makes AP Ezreal viable, but that's a really clunky way to make it scale there - it gets better, but worse, with AP? That's sending players a really mixed messages.

Originally Posted by Morello

I just don't understand why he's the champion people focus on when there's no new gameplay to find within AP Ezreal.

Originally Posted by ThornAlavarn

Eh.. What do you mean by no new gameplay? I find AP Ezreal to play much differently than AD Ezreal. Obviously I'm using the same abilities, but AD Ezreal now doesn't really have any use for his W now, other than building stacks/giving an AS buff to his allies, while for AP Ezreal that's his primary ability. The way I handle teamfights, and laning is different, I actually use my E as an offensive ability rather than just a dash, etc.