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What went wrong while writing Shyvana?

 
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Cidem1324 ?? Administrator
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11-12-2011

Not sure why Shyvana couldn't be proud of both her dragon heritage and her Demacian heritage (human) at the same time.

And it's not like Jarvan is a character that would blatantly kill wild beasts for no reason. As stated in his lore, he mainly does it because they're dangerous. If he saw Shyvana as an uncontrollable monster, he would have killed her. He didn't, indicating that he saw her humanity, or at the very least, her sentience.

 
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11-13-2011

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While I love reliable narrator, it can be assumed that the same third-person omniscient party has written all of the champion bios. There is no precedent for unreliable narrator in League Lore as far as the backgrounds themselves go, though league judgement are a completely different story. Assuming unreliable narrator without cause is mere wishful thinking.



I love how the explanation for Jarvan's actions is essentially that he wants to bone her, despite Jarvan being basically an asexual manly-man of manness up to this point. More than that I love how it assumes and dodges the fact that Shyvana would still pretty much hate him anyway in any context that makes sense with the rest of her lore. She's a super-proud half-dragon, he's a super-proud dragon slayer. These two things do not have hot half-breed she-bang-bang without copious amounts of strong alcohol.
If she ever gets any judgement, it's almost sure to come with a retcon to her base lore. What we have is pretty much garbage atm.

 
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Heatman1991 ?? Junior Member
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11-13-2011

Hmmm, I think you understand now that the question behind on the relationship between these two is unanswerable cause of the loop holes of all the lores put together. I can see where your going with this but, I think you're making a few unsound arguments.

Now we understand that Jarvan went hunting after he got caught by noxus and then rescued, after being unsatisfied by the beasts and bandits near his city state he went traveling down past the Great Barrier. He came back 2 years later and I quote “His Demacian plates were adorned with the bones and scales of creatures unknown” (taken from his lore) His whole lore has not mentioned the word “dragon” or “wyvren” or any kind. Sure “scales” is a good clue, but lizards have scales, fish have scales. Instead of fighting a lot of dragons, it could have been a couple, or none at all. Its just to use “slaughtering a ****-ton of dragons” is not a very sound argument.

Well for jarvan to accept her for who she is that is quite the question. She's part dragon, that we can all understand. She is quite proud of her heritage no doubt. So instead of questioning of killing jarvan for killing the questionable amounts of dragons he killed, why has she not killed the mob trying to kill her? Of course we don't know her age when this happened, she probably has no control over it and probably couldn't turn into one, but given the point that she didn't succumb turning into a dragon when in danger. The traveling jarvan saw this. He knew what she was, but we dont know why. He knew she could've turned into a dragon and killed them all but she didn't. The possibility he saved her cause she didn't even turn into one is out there.

 
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11-14-2011

See, none of this matters, because dragons are overused, filthy creatures. Sure, she could have had interesting lore, but it's such a generic and boring creature that the lore didn't need to be anything more than generic and boring. The design team was probably just answering the outcry for a dragon champion, and the Lore team was forced to write a backstory, so we got this, which is all an overrated dragon thing deserves.

P.S. I hate dragons.

 
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Tigercule X ?? Senior Member
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11-14-2011

Personally, when I first saw the preview comic I was expecting "(in a Spanish accent) My name is Shyvana half-dragon. You killed my (dragon) father. Prepare to die. *epic battle scene*"
And then we get this which makes no sense (as you pointed out).
Honestly, I don't think they'll make a judgment. There's no way to fix the situation and they're already coming out with Fizz. :\

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His whole lore has not mentioned the word “dragon” or “wyvren” or any kind. Sure “scales” is a good clue, but lizards have scales, fish have scales.

 
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11-14-2011

I would like to point out that in her lore that it just says Jarvan Lightshield. It doesn't make any real note to Jarvan IV, it coulda been Jarvan the 3rd that saved shyvana from the mob (I think he's more understanding than Jarvan IV) and raised along side Jarvan IV to the point were she was maybe intimate and on his guard, Jarvan IV did mention in a JoJ that there was someone he was involved with but not anymore, He coulda been with Shyvana and when He found out she was a half-dragon he borke it off. This is all wild speculation on my part but it could be true who knows.

 
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Personally, when I first saw the preview comic I was expecting "(in a Spanish accent) My name is Shyvana half-dragon. You killed my (dragon) father. Prepare to die. *epic battle scene*"
And then we get this which makes no sense (as you pointed out).
Honestly, I don't think they'll make a judgment. There's no way to fix the situation and they're already coming out with Fizz. :\
Well, we're bringing in skins into the picture? Meh i take the skins with a grain of salt usually. Like gentleman cho or bird of prey anivia, its just there for the players amusement and what not. But i do understand that there are some skins like the pentakill and the blood moon skins that are canon. But really i'm not ruling out the point there were dragons involved, its just the term he used "slaughtering a ****-ton of dragons" is a little odd when its never mentioned, just beasts or creatures of the unknown, which is what it is, WE don't know. It may have been dragons, it may have not.

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I would like to point out that in her lore that it just says Jarvan Lightshield. It doesn't make any real note to Jarvan IV, it coulda been Jarvan the 3rd that saved shyvana from the mob (I think he's more understanding than Jarvan IV) and raised along side Jarvan IV to the point were she was maybe intimate and on his guard, Jarvan IV did mention in a JoJ that there was someone he was involved with but not anymore, He coulda been with Shyvana and when He found out she was a half-dragon he borke it off. This is all wild speculation on my part but it could be true who knows.
Now thats a good eye you got there, it does say jarvan lightshield and no number, but there's this one quote that kinda cockblocks that idea in Shyvana's lore "It wasn't long before she was offered a chance to use her natural skills in the service of Demacia, as Jarvan initiated her as one of the elite guard. Following Jarvan into the League of Legends was only natural." We know that jarvan the 4th has been the only lightshield to be in the league of legends, which rules that the 3rd being involved is out.

 
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11-14-2011

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Well, we're bringing in skins into the picture? Meh i take the skins with a grain of salt usually. Like gentleman cho or bird of prey anivia, its just there for the players amusement and what not. But i do understand that there are some skins like the pentakill and the blood moon skins that are canon. But really i'm not ruling out the point there were dragons involved, its just the term he used "slaughtering a ****-ton of dragons" is a little odd when its never mentioned, just beasts or creatures of the unknown, which is what it is, WE don't know. It may have been dragons, it may have not.



Now thats a good eye you got there, it does say jarvan lightshield and no number, but there's this one quote that kinda cockblocks that idea in Shyvana's lore "It wasn't long before she was offered a chance to use her natural skills in the service of Demacia, as Jarvan initiated her as one of the elite guard. Following Jarvan into the League of Legends was only natural." We know that jarvan the 4th has been the only lightshield to be in the league of legends, which rules that the 3rd being involved is out.

Look man, you can say he could have been off killing fish or reptiles or what have you, but that skin is the only skin of his with scales. Skins have been recognized as canon before (Feral Warwick, King Trynd/Queen Ashe, Renegade Talon, Jailbreak Graves, Tango Twisted Fate/Eve, etc. etc.), and this one definitely is. It's pretty clearly dragons, there is no maybes about it. His Q is called "Dragon Strike", for God's sake.

 
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11-14-2011

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His Q is called "Dragon Strike", for God's sake.
Dunno, that's easily interpretable as being "like a dragon's strike". Extending outward strike, like a dragon hitting you with its tail?

 
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Dunno, that's easily interpretable as being "like a dragon's strike". Extending outward strike, like a dragon hitting you with its tail?
I approve of this interpretation, another way of looking at the attack name, so that kinda cockblocks that one too. But anyways we're getting off topic, the point was of ur reasoning of "slaughtering a ****-ton of dragons" is not sound and IF we're bringing in the Jarvan skin picture into this, I only SEE ONE DEAD DRAGON, and hell he could have made that armor out of the Lizard Lord or watever fiction they're thinking up. I'm just saying this can be looked into another way as well, your way isn't the only right way. I didn't know vayne slayed dragons either, she seemed of the kinda gal that just sneaks around and kills evil sorcerers in her own way. I didn't even know she met a dragon before.