Originally Posted by Sċm
Mhm. I'm really not sure about the whole ad/support and ap lanes. Can you tell me where would they both be? The thing with that is what's the point with CC if you have no dmg output. I remember I got season one gold 1900's in 3s with alistar with nerfs and then I realize his ap scales are just too low to even be useful. I mean the whole set up seems really nice and probably would work... I just don't know. Cause in the U.S. scene if you have a jungler you guys are down in gold/kills, just smite stealing can change your outcome, I'm not totally sure what an ad carry/support and an ap carry can do to get back in the game if they are down in gold/kills.
Also if you play the whole ad/support bot lane, an ap gragas can easily clear the wave and just get gp5s so it's kinda useless to have 2 bot lane. Cause i've said multiply times a support in 3s just doesn't seem to work as strongly as having a jungler in the scene.
And anivia... Mhm. She is just way to squishy, wayyyyy tooooooo squishy. Most ap carries in the tier god - 1 can easily destroy her in lane. And once she is down in cs/lvls what can an anivia do? She would barely be able to turtle*
. But please explain more on the whole anivia and her laning phase, would really like to know
The Ranged AD setup is not by any means the best set-up but it can definitly beat some more 'traditional' setups.
Basically why this works is because jungle 3v3 is pretty much about dominance. Full-jungle works because you can get some nice ganks off or otherwise get quite nice gold with buffcreeps. Duo-lane is very hard to gank which takes out one advantage of jungler. The other is that you can deny/kill the solo. Or you can push and deny/kill the jungler. Either way, one of the two will be screwed if you play this correctly.
The biggest downside of this setup is that you cannot afford much mistakes as your AD will be too weak and it will be hard to farm safely. Failing to deny the solo (e.g. he freezes lane permanently) and also failing to get anything important out of the jungle puts you way behind. Once you lose momentum in this setup it will backfire on you, completely losing all jungle control. This works both ways, if you do get a nice couple kills / dragon off you can get back in the game quickly but they will have to mess things up badly.
About the damage on the support's side. Don't underestimate their damage early game. They might scale horribad but early game they still hurt, especially with the AD pounding away and with the CC. It is generally not hard to feed your AD a couple of kills early game and he will carry you later on.
I hope i described that well enough. I personally favor the more traditional jungler setup as well, I just wanted to know why you thought ranged AD were so mediocre. I have played AD setup plenty of times and it's really nice and i've definitly had my butt handed to me by this setup several times too.
As a sidenote; this setup is also very nice against Singed, should your enemy be able to pick him (everyone hates him in 3v3). Singed is weak early and either he will get denied/killed, or he will just push and go back. Both cases your AD gets very fed and just poops on Singed and his teammates.
You don't have to go with a traditional support though. We play with Galio as sort of support often. He will take some gp/5 but he will not go Aegis/Zeke's/Shurelia's and stuff.
As for Anivia; yes she is weak early game but she will be as squishy as you make her. The first couple levels are harsh and you might get behind in CS a bit. Just let them be, the wave will be pushed to you eventually. Then just freeze it, get your levels. Maybe they will get a free early red buff, as long as you keep that lane frozen (or at least on your side of the map) they can't do a thing. Just make sure your teammates take care too. WIth RoA and Chalice (and egg) it's already hard to kill her with all the CC she has. She doesn't have that much problems with most APs, it's more the bruisers with gapclosers that mess her up. Zyra is pretty frustrating though, too slow to dodge her stuff, getting in range for your E just gets you rooted and nuked =[
I just have this passive style of play because i used to main Kassadin in 3v3 (yes Kassadin) and i could make it work. Nowadays with new champions like Lee Sin, Darius, Riven he is not remotely viable anymore but i still have that sense of play with Anivia.
Now that i think of how much effort there is in making Anivia work i do realize bottom of T1 might be a bit optimistic. Still definitly T2 worthy imo. You should give her a try one day ^^
Thanks for the response by the way. It's really interesting to see how different playstyles can be on different servers. This actually reminds me of how NA used to play roamer and EU just played AD/support bot, very opposite mindsets and again NA being on the more agressive side ^^