I'm level 30, but I just played a random blind pick game with three tanks and no ranged ADC. Predictably, we lost. The opposing team comp was also strange, though closer to sane in that not all of them were building tanks.

So you can end up with weird teams at any level.

Was busy all day, I will go over the replay *hopefully* tomorrow.

Crastym:
A lot of the time you should be able to poke the enemy AP mid when they are hugging their turret. You can roam and gank OR you can try to force him to recall/ die to you. The trick to this is hugely about your knowledge and how well you can play your champion, over 80% of the common pick AP mid have the ability to burst enemy lower than 60% health to 0 in one combo (maybe you will need ignite)

I could probably go do the maths but that is open to a lot of variables so this may be easier.

I like building triforce on vayne rather than LW or BC because i don't see armour penetration as a requirement with her W. Similarly i don't build void staff on Karthus or Xerath because of their passive mag pen.

So are these bade choices? If so how much of a disadvantage am i at. In the case of Vayne, assuming i can time my triforce procs with my tumble shots and w procs, is it just as viable as building armour pen?

1. Trinity works off of your base damage, in Vayne's case you are probably getting additional 110 AD when you proc trinity, which is a really low number if you look at it, and if you going to focus on using that W, you might as well go PD compare to trinity

2. Voidstaff is needed for sure on Karthus. The wall might reduce the enemy MR, but you will never hit all 5 enemy. Xerath also want that voidstaff if the enemy build MR, so that he can have higher M pen.

Conclusion: It is bad to go trinity on Vayne, while it might be possible to avoid voidstaff on both AP champions if the enemy is not building MR.

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Hi Ken,

I finally finished reading all the thread (it took me like a week), thanks for taking the time to help the community.

Here goes my question:

A few days ago I played this game as jungle nocturne (see replay below) and I managed to stay alive the entire game, ending something like 1/0/23.

After struggling a bit midgame and dealing with lux's rage we managed to win. I think that I was a decent jungler, but I felt very weak aganist their lee sin, like my damage wasn't enough to gank efficiently or to 1v1 anyone, and I feel like I could have done much more for the team.

I kind of followed theOddOne's guide for itemization because I hadn't play noc for a while and I didn't want to screw up (I usually jungle with panth).

So my question is, what could I have done better / differently? I'm usually much more aggressive, maybe this build just doesn't go with my playstyle.

Replay:
http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/2559501/

Guide:
http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=...ne-build-guide

Thanks!

What would be a good rune page for Jungle fiora now??
I figured with the new items, she is strong in the jungle. Still figuring out best combination of items and mastery but that is for me

I wondered what would be a good jungle rune page for her. Was thinking about LifeSteal quints, Damage, armor, MR. It is a simple question but i just can't figurei t out.

Well how do you think SPirit Stone as an item is, why not talk about new jungling.