if you lost because you LET the opposing team turtle, you deserved to lose

Agreed Fully.

Yea because all the minions dieing by the fountain laser before they even reach the nexus tower is my fault.

Send your tankiest champ in first, kill the tower, even if they ace you, if you do it early in the game they can't push fast enough to win off of that once ace for their tower.

Agreed. It's not hard to push.

True.

If the other team is super turtling, it means YOU control the map. Get red, get dragon, get all the buffs. Choose your moment and push.

I disagree to some point, say you both have ONLY the base turret left, of course the left side has the better adv cause of the longer laser but if you have a equal team in kills and cs then YOU WONT be able to get there turret, unless they mess up big time or you get lucky, there is no reason vsing a team with equal stats should die in there base.

Same can be said with a team composed of great turtles, like skarner for example.

sure its a difference store if you take both inhibs and keep pushing minions to there base and they farm up, then yes its your fault, expecially if your up 10+kills, then you shouldnt lose

1 Side has a laser like 2 times the range of the other side and its so easy to turtle on while the other side is a bit harder.

Singed nasus and skarner is a combo I see alot and no buffs/items will stop this team if they turtle they can fling u into laser unles of course u get the left side.

Im a god turteler with some people, others i just either kick butt at or suck at. Turtling can be a skill, and a valuable one at that.