Originally Posted by Sauron
Watch some tournaments or featured matches. The tier lists are based on experience and not theorycrafting. Lulu wins over Janna and does a ton of damage for a pure tank.
Lulu does 260 + 280 with two crappy ratios, on seven- and ten-second base cooldowns respectively. Regardless of how she compares to Janna, her damage is quite modest (read: bad) and being "experienced" doesn't magically make her deal more damage. The watch-'em-play argument doesn't really work for video games.
A better player will put her tools to better use, sure, but you don't deal more damage unless you itemize for it.
Your top 16 (top laners), chosen because hey 10 picks + 6 bans why not...
"Fiddlesticks can be quite strong just sitting back and protecting his team with massive CC, much like Janna or Lulu. His lack of mobility certainly does not put him on their level but I think he has real merit compared to some more "average" champions, like Nunu or Nautilus..."
"Some" circumstances, like, anyone with a hard CC or a gap closer. That's only almost all the champions picked regularly in Dominion. And Dark Wind makes no difference -- I'm diving you 1v1 whenever Terrify is on cooldown. Unless you went straight tank I'll kill you before you can fear me again. In team fights you're going to get bursted down unless you have Zhonya's, and if you do, we'll be focusing your allies instead.
Lulu - Ready interrupt.
Kassadin - Ready interrupt.
Urgot - Interrupt only on ult.
...and so on. Indeed only two completely lack a way to interrupt Fiddlesticks' Drain, three just with ults. I think you underestimate his dueling prowess, though. Fiddlesticks Drain tanking doods comes out on top against almost everyone but Jax or well-equipped AD carries, it's like getting Twin Fang spammed by Cass except with built-in 80% spell vamp. ;/ Yes, you can interrupt it but Terrify will buy him the time to re-cast... and then unless you're Riven, you lose. Good luck if you're literally diving him under a turret.
In a team fight, he can just sit back and chill with his three-second fear and AoE silence protecting a carry or something. It's not much different from Janna doing her thing or Blitz doing his thing in a new package. The fact that he deals pretty strong damage (healing most of it back) if you ignore him to focus on other targets is just a really sweet perk, not like say Katarina where interrupting her channel basically kills her usefulness...
...whom you incidentally have at the bottom of Tier 3, a full tier ahead of Fiddlesticks. Care to explain that one to me, O Chosen One? You just keep throwing the "herp derp personal experience beats theory" argument at me (which isn't necessarily even true). Well what makes Katarina better in your experience then, since you didn't give her a little snippet explaining her tier placement? Both of them are pretty heavily-reliant on a channeled ability to deal their damage, which "almost all the champions picked regularly in Dominion" will interrupt. The difference is that Fiddlesticks can actually re-cast his in a few seconds if interrupted, oh and he also has the best targetted CC in the game
which is pretty universally useful. Katarina... doesn't really do anything else to my knowledge. Grievous Wounds bot? That's the closest thing she has to utility. Build AD and play her as a generic bruiser? Sure, she's a worse tanky deeps than all the real
ones but her spells scale about the same whether you build AP / AD, at least the latter gives your autoattacks some punch when you're inevitably CCed out of your ult time and again. But maybe you know something I don't.
Snarkiness aside, I have plenty of experience. People may not look to me as an authority but the client's matchmaking has graced me with your presence on occasion, so I can't be a complete idiot. ;/ Experience with every champ? Of course not and I'm sure you don't either. The ones I'm arguing for? Viktor no, Fiddlesticks yes, and regarding Lulu/Janna my argument merely regards your misplaced priorities in what makes Lulu better which has nothing to do with experience. They're close enough that I think ranking them either way is perfectly justifiable but if Lulu is
better, it's not because she deals more damage. Not only is that potentially untrue even at 0 AP (depending on Howling Gale's charge time), it's not important to their role as tanky, mobile CC bots.
Now I don't enjoy playing Viktor nor particularly care about him but come on, he's better than Evelynn bot. Dude's gotta slot in above Fiddlesticks at the very least.