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(Tweak) Vindictam, The Vengeful Summoner

 
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Intellectional ?? Senior Member
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12-10-2012

Sounds like fun. Kind of like anti-Sona.

 
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Liam Geegeeson ?? Senior Member
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12-11-2012

Thanks. Anti-Sona ? In what ways ?

 
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Intellectional ?? Senior Member
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12-11-2012

Well, assuming you play him as a support, that is.

Sona's Q buffs allied AD and AP, Vindictam's Q lowers enemy AD and AP.
Sona's W buffs armor and MR, Vin's lowers it.
Finally, Sona's E buffs move speed and, whaddya know, Vin's slows them right back down again.

Umad, Sona?

 
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Liam Geegeeson ?? Senior Member
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12-12-2012

Bump.

 
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blackkat101 ?? Senior Member
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12-12-2012

Well, since I've got to head to class in a moment and taking the time to ready all that is written here as well as looking up how energy works (honestly never used an energy champion so wasn't sure how it worked), I've got time for a quick couple of notes.

I like that you tied your champion in with another from the League. It's something Katsuni recommended I do with my champion (which I'm currently working on a rework of my lore) and I happy to see you did such the same. On that note however, I've got a couple of issues.

1. When you first said "her" in your second paragraph, I was confused momentarily as you never mentioned the *** of his beloved instructor. I would consider rewording this or mentioning earlier that this instructor is female.

2. While I like how Lee Sin is used, I cannot see him murdering this instructor for no reason after reading his lore. He may have very well taken in an apprentice (granted they didn't get in his way) in his years studying to be a summoner. If you stick with Lee Sin killing her, it would be nice if a reason was given, even if Vindictam doesn't know the reason and is following a large misunderstanding. Another angle you could go at is that his instructor was in the village that Lee Sin accidentally destroyed during his expirimental summoning (mentioned in his lore). She could have been visiting there and got caught up in it. That would give Lee Sin to feel guilt (like in his quote you placed) as well as give Vindictam his reason for wanting vengeance on Lee Sin. Again, these are just examples.


A note on the abilities. There is a lot of debuffing here and it gets quite powerful when all stacked with each other. That being said, I don't currently have the time to balance numbers and compare them to other champions, but from a quick look, he can reduce 60% of their damage, 40% of their defence and slow them for 25% (for an unspecified amount of time) all at once. Each of these abilities have damage and cannot be dogded by the opponent as they are not skill shots, but targeted abilities. So this seems very powerful as you can burst in with all three abilities with 160 of your 200 energy (given you have the standard max energy). With runes or waiting till one is off cooldown, you'll already have enough to toss out any one of the three abilities again (like to slow to get away). Not only is this devastating to the oppenent from just you, but imagine if you had a teammate to take advantage of the situation....

On the ultimate, I'll most likely have to look over again when I have more time. Here are a couple of notes on first glance.

1. First glance of the cost 100 is half of 200, seems high as the there are only two other energy abilities that cost such. Those being Akali's Twilight Shroud 80-60 energy, and Shen's Shadow Dash 120 energy.
2. Second glance at the cost compared to the insane range of the displacement, it seems like it's too low.
3. Blitzcranks grab only has a range of 975 and only dispaces the enemy towards himself, while you have given Vindictam a 1000 range radius around where the enemy is to be displaced in any direction.
4. Because of the above, and that energy is a regenerating source, it'd be hard to factor in the cost, but a 2 min cooldown for that type of utility is a little low in my opinion and I would consider increasing it.




All in all, I did enjoy the lore and the Ultimate was something I've not seen before (well displacement used in that way at least).
- Kat

 
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Liam Geegeeson ?? Senior Member
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12-12-2012

Thanks for another review ! ^ -^

Actually if you read Lee Sin's lore he accidentally destroys a whole village o-o

That is true, but I think after many changes and amateur calculations (Lul) I have established a point where it isn't too strong o.o I think. Plus, one might not even achieve the cap for his skills especially if you're playing as a support bottom lane. Plus all of his abilities together excluding his ultimate, would cost 180 energy. Still, i'm not very knowledgeable of calculations and game mechanics so I probably won't ever be sure. Like my champion Gil, most people suggest not tampering with debuffs and gold as they are potentially game-breaking.

Haha yeah the second cast of his ult is pretty overpowered as it can completely change the tides of battle. I might change the global range.

 
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blackkat101 ?? Senior Member
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12-12-2012

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Originally Posted by Liam Geegeeson
Actually if you read Lee Sin's lore he accidentally destroys a whole village o-o
In Lee Sin's lore, he is attempting to summon a beast from the Plague Jungles. Instead he summons a boy that not only dies because of the incomplete ritual, but the after effects of said ritual destroys that boy's village (I mentioned this above about working that villague maybe into the killing of the teacher). This shows that Lee Sin did not mean to kill a boy, let alone a whole village. It was an accident that he greatly regrets. That is why I cannot see a reason to have him murdering Vindictam's teacher for no reason.


- Kat

 
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Liam Geegeeson ?? Senior Member
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12-12-2012

Oh I figured that she got caught in the destruction of the village > .< Not to mention that Vindictam is sort of arrogant.

 
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Liam Geegeeson ?? Senior Member
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12-14-2012

Bump.

 
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Liam Geegeeson ?? Senior Member
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12-14-2012

Added Jian Hua's - my fourth champion - link to this thread.