Champions like Pantheon, Talon, Kha'Zix, Zed, and more are becoming very common middle lane picks. Which in return makes it extremely hard for AP middle champions to even lane. Especially when those AD champions are all rushing Black Cleaver. It also doesn't help that armor is pretty much useless in season three with the penetration changes. So you see more and more full AD teams.

ahh so this is another black cleaver thread.

My advice would be to try new things. An influx of new items..including AD caster items..which have been a LONG time coming and have made AD caster champs more viable... these things are going to change the way the game is played.

We need to try to adapt rather than whine about how we cant do things the same way we used to.

Yea i saw a fiora in mid completely destroy ryze to the point that he rushed a thornmail lol.

its true, talon is just destroying mid lane these days...

There are quite a few AP champions that demolish AD mids. On top of that most of those champions have poor showings in any other lane BUT mid. I don't really see the problem in more variety.

God forbid we try to change the meta. Obviously AD casters poo on most ap mids.

I pray for AD mids all the time. My Xerath and Ziggs eats them up.