Originally Posted by WhattayaBrian
(Among other things.)
Achievement Unlocked: Red posted in one of my threads. Rickless linked to one of mine before but never got a post until now. Anyway, yes, 105 armor is nice, but its 3 seconds, and on an enormous cooldown, and everyone knows this, meaning you will get bullied hard between W's. Taric gives 30 armor all the time
, averaging out to more armor/time, and of course the first 30 armor counts for more, as armor has diminishing returns from an actual damage reduced standpoint.
But really though, I realize this - it doesn't make my earlier points incorrect. She nullifies the ability of both sides to make kills - when you aren't going to die, both sides freefarm. A draw in terms of CS/Kills is great if you win lategame, but..she is awful late.
Originally Posted by Verandriel
You lost all credibility when you cited that as correct supporting. The only reason he didn't feed first blood was because Corki screwed up his autoattack after his flash (if you watch closely, Corki auto'd a minion after flashing; if he auto'd Aphromoo, Aphromoo would've been dead and then it would've been 2v1.
That said, I think Soraka's still really strong late game. She doesn't really have peel, but having 2 heals and good sustain makes her very good for those late game dances around objectives. Also, Soraka doesn't become useless when her team is significantly behind. When Leona's team is significantly behind, however, she can't initiate without getting blown up, and if she tries to protect her carry then the enemy team will just blow up the rest of her team.
Though you're trying to compare a sustain support whose role is to make the lane more safe, have global presence post-6, and sustain her team in drawn-out objective dances to an aggressive support whose role is to stun-lock an enemy, have really strong lane pressence post-6, and initiate or peel for her team. Apples to oranges.
The Corki messed up, but he wasn't in range of Leona and a shot on Ez wouldn't have made any difference. Even if it had been 2 for 1, it would still be a great trade, especially considering Leona/Ez is better than Taric/Corki late. Even if they had both died for nothing, he was still "supporting correctly." What Ez/Taric/Corki did right/wrong has no bearing on whether or not Leona did her job right.
Yes, it sucks to be a support when your team is behind. It's really bad for Leona. It's just as bad for Soraka though. Enhancing teammates who don't do anything doesn't count for much, and frankly, Soraka is easier to kill. Both are essentially looking to pick up kills from towerdives through tower DPS, but they can back off from Raka if they realize the buffs are too much. Leona will keep them there. You can at least capitalize on their mistakes.
Apples to Orangles? Sort of. A support with abilities that protect a carry vs a support with abilities that rely on the carry to tank. Yes, Soraka makes the lane more safe but it doesnt matter because "safety" isn't really a desirable goal in LoL. A horrendous slaughter is fine as long as it is even. The better lategame wins as long as this is true, but with Soraka - You can't win early. You lose late.
There are plenty of people citing her harass as good and that is sort of true, but Soraka's range is really low - if she is harassing, a Kill-Lane support can just grab her and kill her. Winning because you outharassed and sustained the enemy just means they were bad, and didn't know how to take advantage of opportunities. Raka can only protect 1 person. She either dies horribly protecting her AD, or lets them die...or stands behind them, protecting through buffs, and stalling the lane.