Originally Posted by Stillhart
Jungling question: Obviously, Madred's Razor is super important for jungling. After a while you can upgrade to either Bloodrazor or Wriggle's. The thing is, with Wriggle's the proc stays the same but with Bloodrazor the proc changes: FROM a 15% chance to do 500 dmg (to minions) TO a 100% chance to do 4% max hp to everyone. My math-fu tells me the break even point is 1875hp for the same effective damage. (0.15 * 500 * [100/4] = 1875)
So the question is, how many HP do the various minions have? Obviously the lane minions have fewer HP, but IIRC the Golem and Lizard both have over 2k and the dragon and Baron definitely have more than that. So essentially, you're gimping your ability to decimate creep waves but killing pretty much everything else faster. For 2800 gold.
Wriggles on the other hand, gives you a little bit of life steal and free wards every 3 minutes for 525 gold.
I guess this is one of those "see how the game is going" kind of decisions. 2800 is a lot to spend but that 4%-max-HP damage can be brutal on HP-heavy teams. I guess if you don't really need it, it's a no-brainer to upgrade to Wriggles.
Okay so that turned into more theory-crafting than a question. Just thought it might bear mentioning.
For starters, Lantern increases your chance from 15% to 20% :P Furthermore, Bloodrazros has a cap concerning neutral monsters of over 4000 hp. Basically it will always deal 160 bonus damage to Baron. With this in mind, even tho 160> 20%*500, for me Lantern is the better jungle item due to ward effectiveness and cheap cost. However, many of the champions will prefer Bloodrazors simply because it's a great combat item.
It's a very tough decision and most DPS should probably go for bloodrazors. Keep in mind tho that not all junglers are DPS. And not only that, but on Twisted Treeline, for example, being able to jungle fast and effectively is of upmost importance. Wards are double and waiting for Bloodrazros would be suicide considering the early game nature of TT. That's why you'll see lantern there a lot more often than bloodrazors =) I think you have the rest figured out, so I decided to mention just the missing parts :P