Nismo,

I don't know you, never heard of you or played with you.

I was speaking to SAM, through you.

You seem like a good guy.

It's all good, and hey I understand where your coming from. I appreciate your feedback, and don't worry, I will make sure sam will hear lol If the sell out was also directed to sam, that isn't true. He truly enjoys the new map. I mean every time he was getting jittery about everything, I believe thats joy of playing lol.

Why do you think typing every fifth word in all caps makes your point seem any more intelligent? It looks really dumb and most of the points you made were dumb. You should feel bad for posting this.

Love the map hate the altars and speed buff. Maybe changing the structure of jungle a bit.

Lol teemo isn't really considered as a i can solo champion. Champions that are scary when they get fed would be singed, tryndamere, darius, riven, or any of the other super champs on old TT. Those were scary when fed, and still are on this map. The only difference is that, they can still be countered by the same strats on twisted treeline. Teamwork. None of those champions above are scary in a triple queue game. Its really just solo queue where the viability of champs have stayed unchanged between maps. Even sam still uses some of the super champs i.e shyvana, jayce, and i heard someone complaining about him playing lee sin in a riot vesh stream. Oh lee sin goes in that list, if you are play a triple queue unranked game. A fed teemo still relies heavily on a team, but he can camp jungle and pick off single targets that are not stacking MR against him.

Edit: i saw Sam post a pros and cons of the new map. The only problem is that, its not really about the pros or the cons of the new map. Its the old map. Everyone just wants the old map as a normal game only if its the least riot can do. Changes on SI is needed, because in beta form its pretty silly with how many flaws there are. However i understand riots point on "splitting up the community", but the only community that actually matters is ranked. So Twisted Treeline stays as normal only, doesn't effect SI's ranked community at all. And if it does turn out that shivering isles community is suffering more because Twisted Treeline is a normal only that can only say 1 thing. That shivering isles is a piece of poopy "sorry for name calling" and that Twisted Treeline should be normal and ranked and Shivering Isles stays as a normal only. Right now isn't the best time, since more people are looking at the new map.

Hey man play nice lol :P

/facepalm I didnt even realize the one weakness in my argument, teemo lol. I dont remember how well singed did either. So do you believe altars are the main culprit to taking away the teamwork aspect of the new TT? That is the conclusion I'm drawing from this and your previous posts.

the new tt is a totally seperate map. they totally destroyed the old tt. that being said, the new 3v3 map is fun, but totally destroys the whole experience of tt

What has the new tt removed for you? Do you think this map is at least salvageable to bring the familiarity of the old tt?

No if anything altars require more teamwork. Which is a bad problem. In solo queues " a majority of twisted treeline players" lets be honest, there isn't really that many 3v3 serious ranked teams like Sam's. In solo queues though, teamwork isn't always a option, and for how important maintaining 1 altar is, makes it to much. Keeping the 4 gold per minion kill on you will allow the enemy not to snowball. If you have a teammate who is not very map aware, then you will result in probably 2 deaths, and a altar, and this also encourage people to rage and quit games more often. I even found myself one time ready to throw my mouse at the wall because someone was just farming lane instead of helping protect our altar. The altars put to much on normals, and that is why a lot of people don't like it. There have been suggestions, and its obvious because of easter egg reason riot won't remove them. 1 suggestion that i did like though, was just put the attack speed and cd reduction on the altars, and reduce the amount of gold per minion kill, vice versa you put the 10% ( or up it to 15%, because of how hard he is) on vilemaw, making him a less useless boss for most teams. This would encourage more boss control fights as well. It is still in beta though, and right now even that change won't help, because of the lack of top jungle. Its way to easy to see when someone is going in, and also since vilemaw would be giving a powerful buff, it would make jax or any other vilemaw solo's much more of a priority on a team to "stealth" kill him. I think after season 2 ends, riot should take shivering isles back to the drawing board to add a top jungle. This map is a little incomplete without it. I understand it would interfere with season 3, however there has been a lot of good feedback. If riot did at the least read some of it, they could already have an idea of how to put it into the map and have it released again within a reasonable time span "month or less" then release it back into beta, or as a custom map on live servers for testing. It was really silly to release it on live servers with how many problems it has. Right now as a avid Twisted Treeline player, this map really doesn't suffice as a replacement, and community forums will stay in a uproar longer, and eventually lead to more drastic measures for some people as in quitting, selling their accounts "which all my friends did -_-, and stopping of buying of RP". This map in total is bad for business with current flaws, and even a money hungry company would be able to see that "not calling riot a money hungry company".