Originally Posted by Pooples
So, in my opinion, only one of trundles abilities can provide reliable utility to the team. However, since 3 of his other abilites make him stronger as a DPS bruiser, I feel that Trundle's role in a teamfight should mostly be to do damage to the enemy team. Anivia, for example, provides high utility during a teamfight with her wall, stuns, and slows, but more importantly provides damage throughout the game.
Good bruisers like Darius, Jayce, do a lot more damage than trundle also have a decnet amount of utility. Examples of bruisers with moderate utility plus tons of damage include Jayce, (nothing needed to be said here about jayces utility) Mundo, (a 40% slow at lvl 1 which is great for snowballing) Olaf, (an AOE 45% slow at lvl 9 that's spamable) Skarner, (nothing needed to be said here about skarner's utility) Darius (a AOE mini-blitz pul plus a 40% slow at lvl 13). Even blitzcrank can do about as much damage as trundle if he does well in top lane, plus he has insane utility.
In conclusion, other bruisers can do a lot more damage throughout the game and can still provide only a little bit less utility for the team than trundle, making them in general more viable than Trundle.
I still think Trundle is viable by the way... I just think there are better champions out there. I also think that Trundle provides an excellent nitch for the right team stradegy can therefore be a better pick than Jayce, Lee Sin, or Rengar at times. Also, like Leona's ult your teammates have to really know how to take advantage of the pillar, which isn't as strong in solo-q.
Looking forward to hearing your counter-argument Thorston13. Or anybody else's.
You don't pick Trundle for his damage.
You don't pick Trundle for his utility.
You don't pick Trundle for his ability to be "dunkmaster"
You pick Trundle for one reason, and one reason only:
To shut down an enemy Jungler.
Trundle is one of the best 1v1 duelist in the game. He is fast and efficient in the jungle and has a great disengage and good movespeed/CC reduction with his W up, which allows him to escape sticky situations, or stick to targets to keep them from escaping.
There are only a handful of champions which can handle the kind of pressure a well played Trundle can apply.
Not only can he counter-jungle among the best of them, but his Pre-6 ganks are far superior to most other Junglers of his class.
Look at other Top Tier junglers:
Tier 1 – Lee Sin, Dr. Mundo, Maokai, Nunu, Skarner, Nocturne, Udyr, Shyvana, Trundle, Jarvan IV, Cho`Gath, Amumu, Shen, Nautilus, Alistar, Malphite, Hecarim, Olaf
For Pre-6 Ganks, Trundle is on par or superior to Lee Sin, Mundo, Nocturne, Udyr, Shyvana, Jarvan, Olaf, and Malphite.
For 1v1 capabilities, he's on par or superior to Nunu, Mundo, Lee Sin, Nocturne, Shyvana, Jarvan, Amumu, and Alistar.
Only a few junglers will give him real problems at all stages of the game.. Namely Udyr and Skarner.
If Trundle can play aggressively and poach enemy camps (including Blue and Red) as well as pull off a few succesful ganks pre-level 6, he can put his team in a position of superiority. After that, it is up to his team to make best use of that early game advantage and turn it into a dominant Mid->Late game. After Early game, he should focus on getting a Trinity Force, stacking Defense (like Randuins, BV, etc), getting an oracles and warding like a maniac.
1dang1, I would recommend going 9/21/0, and picking up boots+3 pots first. Better CJing and ganks. The only reason to go down the utility tree is for additional time on your buffs, which really isn't a big deal compared to the damage you pick up from 9/21/0. Not like Trundle has sustain problems in the jungle.