The machete item sounds like a poor level 1 investment. What is to stop champions from invading early and taking advantage of the fact that junglers are both lower health and lack an item that gives any offensive or defensive stats? I can understand that the goal is to give a trade off when going boots +3pots and early ganking so you can't jungle as fast or are hurt more, but this seems like it will just push out the junglers that lack sustain (shyvana for example) and force junglers to be even stronger level 1 champions in the pro scene. There's no reason to take an item scaling champion into a pro game when he'll probably require the machete and will be even weaker than he is in the current jungle.

On a different note, will monsters grant higher experience at first clear to make up for the obviously slower jungling clears that will result from higher health and higher damaging monsters?

Something that comes to my mind is that now lanes seriously need to keep in mind that we get a lot of XP and gold from the jungle and that means they can't just go around taking it like they do now, especially if the jungler falls behind in a failed gank.

on a side note i feel like the only reason sejuani has not gotten a rework isn't cause she does not need one but more because you guys can not figure out what do do with her that would not make her OP or worse.

but back on topic i was wondering will sion be more viable of a jungle choice?
right now hes not bad but his jungle sustain is terribly item dependend and sliw until lvl 4.

yay warwic k

Volibear isn't viable for top lane

he's best place is as support bot

From what I read from the op, I will be liking the jungle changes a lot. It makes clearing the jungle worth it, and it puts less pressure on junglers to gank. Although I do have one question for Statikk, what are the variety of jungler starter items we will be having after the changes? What are their different purposes for making more champions viable in the jungle? I'm sure a lot of junglers including me are super curious about the new items, so please tell us more about them.

I don't understand your definition of playing better. Not to say "U bad, lol u mad?" but more of what I'm saying is... Since the proper way to play (meta) is to be cautious of junglers, not push your lane past the river, and only last hitting minions. Harrasing your opponent if he gets too aggressive and set him up to get ganked by your jungler.

What you seem to be saying is that pushing the lane into their turret, and poking him till you're out of mana or HP, and only backing off when you're getting ganked is playing better than your opponent. Can you please redescribe what you mean?

I fail to see how this will increase the amount of junglers. Spreading out the HP will make aoe junglers even stronger, and no leashing prevents frailer or slower junglers from being worthwhile.

Looks like supportank jungle is the only viable jungle in League of Exactly The Same Team Comp Every Single Game.

this will make champions like renekton very weak in the jungle.

So this patch is a buff to Voyboy.