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Wawix ?? Senior Member
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11-15-2012

BFT is the first real balance change I see in dominion, and I'm really dissappointed in people qqing so much about it. This actually stops the roflstomp tankderp meta, and gives the ap casters a chance to fight evenly with the rest of the cast.

If you think about it, its a 3k item that replaces the old DFG (with that 15% cdr) with a dominion style item. I don't think 5% max hp over 3 secs in magic damage is that much of a threat to anyone, that is like, 1,6% hp per sec?
That would be... 48 magic damage per second on a target with 3k hp (150 magic damage over 3 seconds) and no magic res. I really don't think its that much, and even more considering it has a charge mechanic that runs out really fast.

The only problem I see with the item right now is that it considers single target and AoE (which includes DoTs) the same at the time of applying the debuff, and that makes the item be a little bit more useful than intended imo. If they fix it, they should do something about the amount of charges an AoE spell triggers on the torch, or the DoT on an AoE spell.
And maybe, just MAYBE, make the DoT have an AP ratio. Because torch hecarim is op.

You guys need to adapt better instead of QQing for every balance patch that ****s you over, seriously.
And what surprises me the most is that people consider the BFT a problem, instead of the wooglets.

 
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Carolina Blues ?? Junior Member
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11-15-2012

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Originally Posted by MMKH View Post
BFT works on physical spells too apparently, like Corki's Gatling Gun and Ashe's Volley. It's too strong and needs the AOE and DoTs nerfed. Probably could use an AP ratio like DFG that makes buying actual AP mandatory for it to do good damage.
That's the man officers, the man who violated me with AP Corki.

 
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Korkee ?? Member
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11-18-2012

OMG it does 1/2 the damage of a Khazix Q NERF IT!

 
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Kalamees Jr ?? Senior Member
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11-18-2012

Dominion is near unplayable as it is right now thanks to blackfire torch.

 
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Purpleskoal ?? Senior Member
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11-18-2012

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Originally Posted by Wawix View Post
And what surprises me the most is that people consider the BFT a problem, instead of the wooglets.
For one thing it is much too cheap for what it does.

 
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Cauldrath ?? Senior Member
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11-18-2012

On Casseopeia, who gets more damage per AP per second than any champ I can think of off the top of my head, 125 AP from Wooglet's gives her 121 damage per second. BFT, only considering the passive and AP, gives her that much dps on a target with at least ((125*0.97)-(70*0.97))/(0.05/3)=3186 health.

Simplifying down, (ignoring stacks, keeping the DoT ticking, and additional sources of AP going with the 25% bonus, because otherwise math becomes literally impossible) the amount of health a target needs to make BFT better than Wooglet's is 3300*(Damage per AP per second)

Annie, for instance, assuming she procs Molten Shield on average once per second (which is pretty generous), has a 0.55 ratio, making the target's health needed 1815. Ignoring Molten Shield, it's 1155.

And, obviously, BFT is much better than Wooglet's on non-mages. BFT is better on Ashe for targets with 41.25 health.

 
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Tempestphile ?? Senior Member
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11-18-2012

This item needs to be hotfixed / disabled like now

160ish MR Sejuani with 3800 hp (revive buffed), bumps into a glass cannon teemo with BFT

I perma slowed him, so i was attacking and my W was fighting him, i wasn't even getting kited

Guess who win...

 
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Cauldrath ?? Senior Member
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11-18-2012

Why wouldn't you build BFT on Sejuani? She has really strong synergy with it.

 
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NavyGothic ?? Senior Member
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11-18-2012

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Originally Posted by Cauldrath View Post
Why wouldn't you build BFT on Sejuani? She has really strong synergy with it.
Fight fire with fire!

... on an ice champ.

That phrase doesn't really work.