Everyone is talking about difficulty changes, and gold changes, etc. I don't think any of that is the solution.

The real solution is a 6th jungle camp. This fixes quite a few jungle issues:

1) Top lane purple vs. top lane blue jungle disparity. If there was a solid 6th camp, both sides of the jungle would be even. The jungler would no longer have to decide between no farm and ganking the lane closest to blue buff.

2) A jungler focused on clearing over ganking could now have 6 camps to safely slaughter, giving them the gold and xp boost they need to keep up somewhere between bottom and mid's power level.

3) Top and bottom lane could now have a camp to clear every minute or so if the team decided to go no jungle.

4) Actual options, and some freakin variety!

Or, top and bot could learn that they already have a solo lane and stay the hell out of the jungle. Seriously, how selfish can teammates get? Having an entire lane to themselves isn't enough? So now we have to alter the game because they won't stay in their lane? It's a bit ridiculous man, adding a new camp would probably be a hassle. Frankly, people should learn to leave the jungle to the jungler and leave it at that. Who was the guy who started this whole "take creeps from the jungler" craze? Lane minions are infinite, what justification is there for taking the junglers only source of income?

No they shouldn't. It's not about being selfish, it's about being the most effective way of winning the game. Laners taking jungle wins games, not the other way around. That's why every tournament level team does it, that's why every decent jungler doesn't mind it. Until Riot makes that fact change, there's no reason to stop doing so.

And bot isn't a solo lane, nor is top the one taking most of the jungle CS. It's typically mid that takes wraiths/wolves more often than any other lane.

It'll never happen.

You realize if "every team does it" it cancels out the advantage of doing it right? It's a strategy that only works if the other team isn't aware you're doing it, if they are it loses all effectiveness and you only hurt the jungler in the process. People could just....last hit better? Seriously, the jungle creeps have respawn times, minons keep on coming. Until you can tell me how you get better income by leaving an infinite stream of gold (aka minions) I can't really believe you.

Pros doing it is not a compelling argument either. You're going to have to actually give me the reasoning behind it if you want to convince me, or anyone else with a brain for that matter.

Again;

1)Minons are infinite
2)Jungle creeps technically are too, but have a massive respawn time in comparison, so might as well be limited.
3)You have to leave the lane, and thus a constant stream of gold, in order to get gold from the jungle, thus you lose gold in the process.
4)You hurt your jungler.

There's very little about the idea that strikes me as good man, just being honest.

I've seen some math. I jungle as my main role. The new jungle profits you with less gold and it's less likely you can get early ganks.

Because of this, counter picking will be the thing for season 3. If a lane gets counter picked, you can't rely on the jungler to help balance out the lane.

That makes absolutely no sense. That's like saying buying an IE is bad on an AD carry because the enemy AD carry can do the same thing. It's the most efficient way to do things, and thus everyone will do it. It has nothing to do with whether the enemy is aware of it or not, and it doesn't hurt the jungler.

And you push your lane and then take wraiths/wolves, meaning that you're taking them when there are no creeps to be lost in lane. You do not lose ANY creeps when farming wraiths/wolves, unless you're doing it wrong. The reasoning is that it allows your well scaling solos more farm than normal, while also freeing the jungler up to gank other lanes. It's just an efficient use of gold/time, and unless the jungle gets significantly harder for laners to farm it's not going to change.

Ummm....you know 0 CS for supports is the norm right? Bot is basically a solo lane, and if you're seriously suggesting a very short EXP advantage is that critical (which it isn't if they're doing it too) then I don't know what to say to you.

No. Them buying IE doesn't make my IE ineffective. Them getting the exact same amount of gold and me hurting my jungler in the process....hurts the jungler and gives no net benefit to the team (because any gain I made, was lost to the jungler). Now granted, they hurt their jungler if they do it too. The point is is that the gain remains the same for both, there's nothing changed by both of them doing it. See? I dunno though, I get the idea of super charging the carry, remember, carries got hit hard this new Season, so it might not be optimal anymore.

IE is a straight up boost. There's no tradeoff for me building the best damage. There is a tradeoff for me taking creeps from my jungler. It's not exactly the same thing. And when you're getting the wraiths/wolfs you could be killing their tower in the process, and earning gold for the entire team. It's not straight up better, you're ignoring the other options.

.