Hopefully because you're plat they'll listen to you; I get the feeling Riot doesn't care unless high elo speaks up because that has a direct influence on the rest of the players.

I honestly preferred s2 as a jungler.. The new items are nice, but the nerf to oracles, phage, and the removal of HoG absolutely destroyed shyvanas viability.. I never got around to trying Udyr, but I'm pretty sure he's shared a similar fate.

I just want to clarify this with you.

Do you think Riot wants soemone to be able to only kill neutral creeps and be powerful enough to influence the game without interaction with the enemy for 15 minutes?

Do YOU think that's a good idea?

^Singed, Cho gath, Darius, Jax, Irelia. They all do that after just farming creeps in lane, even if they didn't get any kills.

I don't know what Riot wants. They tell the community "we want to lay off the early game pressure from junglers" but then they create a situation where junglers are even more important in the early game. They say they want to "lower the importance of early ganks" but now junglers have to gank earlier, and a lot faster. I thought when they said that they wanted to lower the importance of early jungle ganks that they were indirectly buffing the viability of control/invader junglers and farming junglers. So, in a sense, yes, I got the idea that Riot is ok with an afk farming jungler for the first 15 minutes before contributing because that is how it was in season 1 and it worked back then.
Yes I do because it adds more variety and strategy to the game. Think about it like this, imagine going against a master yi jungler. Master Yi is a farming jungler (wriggles + alpha proc + E is high damage) and he is a melee carry, so it makes sense for a yi player to farm farm farm a ton of gold then come out of the jungle butchering people. You, being on the enemy team, don't want to deal with a late game yi that is farmed. So now it means that you will have to consciously stop yi by having your team invade the jungle and deny him some creeps.

What if your up against a nunu? Nunu is a control jungler and during season 1 his playstyle was to counter jungle heavily and deny creeps. How do you deal with nunu then? Take the small camps that he is likely to invade. Deny him the opportunity of counter jungling your own jungle mobs.

TL;DR Yeah its a great idea because it adds more diversity to the game. Way more diversity than what S2 had.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

It sounds like you want to have 15 minutes of farming a computer but you have to interact with your team. And passive farming is the opposite of what riot wants.

Change it back to season 1 jungle.

Back in season 1, we had lots of variety in champions we could choose in the jungle. We did not have to choose a supporting jungler now.

I'm fine not having a passive 15 minute farming jungler as long as Riot compensates that element of diversity with something else.Riot didn't do that in season 2, and they certainly aren't doing that in season 3.

Like what? It seems like there is a bit of diversity. Gank bot lane, Gank Top lane or Gank mid lane.

That is not diversity. That is stressing the importance of ganking type junglers (xin zhao, lee sin, etc) over control junglers (nunu) and farm junglers (cho gath, master yi, etc.).

I'm not trying to butt heads with you, but reading through your posts I honestly feel as if you haven't experienced the game prior to S2. S2 had almost NO diversity. Everyone who was smart and understood the jungle picked a tanky dps with AoE clear, built dual GP 10, (Exceptions being champs like lee and mundo) and camped lanes. That is not diversity. That is pigeonholing junglers into a role where they are forced to become a second support by ganking lanes to lay off pressure.

Ganking different lanes is not diversity; it all falls under the domain of ganking, which is a single element of the jungling class.