I realize that this thread probably has a better place here than GD
I have a question, and I'm not sure whom to ask(Morello,Nome Xyph, Meddler, ect?). A while ago, RiotNome indicated that Liandry's Torment would not be available on Dominion since it can be considered a weaker version of Blackfire torch. If I am not mistaken, it was talked about how the team wanted to avoid leaving trap items or items that are not fitted for the different maps, which is quite fine.
So here's my situation. I love playing Sejuani and I really like playing Dominion. (yes, I know how many perceive the Bacon lady, but I really enjoy playing her, so lets move on) Currently, Liandry's Torment would probably fit like a charm on her, since I've tried Blackfire torch and found that she did well with it.
So, I would like to know if Liandry's Torment falls too much into the niche-kind-of-item problem or if the only reason it was not implement into Dominion was because of Black torch? Currently, a lot of casters and on-hit characters get Blackfire torch, and is currently working a bit on the strong side if I heard correctly, thus the incoming number modifications on it. With that in mind, would getting to choose between the ''get more health but a bit less potential damage'' Blackfire Torch or the ''get less health but a bit more potential damage when movement mitigation is applied'' Liandry's Torment be problematic? (obviously, I'm no game designer, so which stats would be different is in your camp)
Liandry's Torment would naturally apply (so no other items) for the following champions:
(Do correct me if I'm wrong! I'm not 100% sure if I'm missing some or if some of them really do apply! Furthermore, I'm not saying the item is good on all these champions, only saying which can activate it with their skills)
Ahri's charm (?)
Cass' miasma / back ult
Fizz's trickster / shark
Galio's eye beam
Gangplank's passive and ult
Gragas' body slam
Heimy's ult (does Btorch apply on his turrets?)
Irelia's equilibrium strike
Karma (I know she has changes coming, so love beam?)
Kass' force pulse
Kog' Muffin's ooze
Leona's off-center ult
Lulu's kit pretty much
Lux's Lucent Singularity
MF's make it rain
Nami's ult (any other?)
Nunu's snowball and ult
Rumble's harpoon and ult
Sona's power chord
Syndra's force of will
Twisted Fate's red card
Twitch's Venom cask
Urgot's shield combo slow
Varus' hail of arrows
Yorick's slow omen
Zed's double slash
Zira's melee plant
Phew, that took a while to check X_X
I never realised so many champs had an innate slow mechanism.
From the 58 characters with a slow, we could say around 30-ish could make use of it, albeit it might be sub-par or used on unorthodox builds for some of them.
But we can see a few that would truly benefit from it, either from being bursty caster or simply because of their kit. Those that come to mind for me are Anivia, Cass, Fizz, Karma?, Karthus, Lulu, Nunu, Sejuani,Swain,Teemo, etc.
Heimy, Nautilus, ap burster, and other can probably do quite well with it too.
So, how many champions do we have currently? 109 with Nami?
So, let's say about 28% of the champion rooster could use the item, while around 10 to 14% of that can do really benefit from it with only their innate slows.
If we think about it,hypothetically, there is a similar amount of carries who would specialize in items like Bloodthirster, PD, IE. Other characters can do too, but its not everyone that fit that kind of build in an optimal fashion.
While thinking about it this way, would that make Liandry's Torment a niche item, or an interesting option for some characters? And if you think it is still too similar to Blackfire Torch, why not move the numbers a bit?
So yeah, is it possible to discuss a bit on this please? : D
TL;DR: I like Sejuani and bacon, and I think Liandry's Torment has a place on dominion.