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JustMyBassCannon ?? Senior Member
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12-08-2012

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Except it's not a burst spell, because Vlad isn't a burst mage (unless you count a 6-8 second rotation as a "burst"), but the damage from AP (i.e. the ap ratio) is amplified up to 100% at 4 stacks, giving him an effective .9 ratio on the spell - that's HUGE, and you get to do it twice (even 4 times if you build ZHG, have a Zil/kayle, or something like that).

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/champi...crimson_reaper
They specifically made him so his AP ratio does not stack with that damage increase, just like Kog'maw's ultimate not increasing the scaling damage when hitting champions.

I've played Vlad quite a bit and memorized quite a few mechanics, also have looked my stuff up.

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Upon cast Vladimir also gains a stacking 'Empowered' buff for 10 seconds that increases the effectiveness of healing and regeneration upon himself, and increases the base damage and health cost of subsequent Tides of Blood casts.
Yeah, I guess using the word "burst" to describe it is a bit faulty since Vlad's more of a DPS mage anyway, but it's just from the habit of farming minions, 2 people walk up to try and kill me, R-E-W for 1/2 their life before they even know wtf's going on, finish off one with Q+R finisher damage, fight the other guy if he's dumb enough to stay there...

I'm too used to only needing to rotate once, thus I do refer to it as burst, even if it's more DPS burst.

 
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Except it's not a burst spell, because Vlad isn't a burst mage (unless you count a 6-8 second rotation as a "burst"), but the damage from AP (i.e. the ap ratio) is amplified up to 100% at 4 stacks, giving him an effective .9 ratio on the spell - that's HUGE, and you get to do it twice (even 4 times if you build ZHG, have a Zil/kayle, or something like that).



http://na.leagueoflegends.com/champi...crimson_reaper
I'd say that taking >1/3 off of your average squishy's hp bar with one spell qualifies that spell as a burst spell.

 
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They specifically made him so his AP ratio does not stack with that damage increase, just like Kog'maw's ultimate not increasing the scaling damage when hitting champions.

I've played Vlad quite a bit and memorized quite a few mechanics, also have looked my stuff up.



Yeah, I guess using the word "burst" to describe it is a bit faulty since Vlad's more of a DPS mage anyway, but it's just from the habit of farming minions, 2 people walk up to try and kill me, R-E-W for 1/2 their life before they even know wtf's going on, finish off one with Q+R finisher damage, fight the other guy if he's dumb enough to stay there...

I'm too used to only needing to rotate once, thus I do refer to it as burst, even if it's more DPS burst.
Hey thanks for that link; I only recently came across LoL wiki and had completely forgotten about it (/side rant about the lack of in-house quality of information). Looks like I was mistaken about the effect of the bonus AP, it has always looked like it did double damage comparable to 0 stacks, but I never "labbed" it. I'm rather disappointed. Still, double cast is worth a .9 ratio and that's pretty powerful; I won't complain too much now that FoN is gone. Plus the 32% boost (52% with SV) means the cost ends up rather manageable. Personally I prefer to lane the enemy until his friend comes along, then R E Q W E Q R (plus exhaust & ignite if necessary), throw in a DFG for good measure and a double or triple kill should be well in hand. Ofc, kiting Garen is always fun too.

 
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I'd say that taking >1/3 off of your average squishy's hp bar with one spell qualifies that spell as a burst spell.
It's always seemed to me that the concept of a burst is some combo (or not) that deals massive damage in a relatively short time, but can't be repeated for a significant period. This is also why I get frustrated ppl classify Veigar as a "burst mage" - it's really only true for the old DFG+Ult combo; his Q & W are on really short cooldowns (~2s and ~3s @ 40% CDR), even though they do tons of damage.

 
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Hey thanks for that link; I only recently came across LoL wiki and had completely forgotten about it (/side rant about the lack of in-house quality of information). Looks like I was mistaken about the effect of the bonus AP, it has always looked like it did double damage comparable to 0 stacks, but I never "labbed" it. I'm rather disappointed. Still, double cast is worth a .9 ratio and that's pretty powerful; I won't complain too much now that FoN is gone. Plus the 32% boost (52% with SV) means the cost ends up rather manageable. Personally I prefer to lane the enemy until his friend comes along, then R E Q W E Q R (plus exhaust & ignite if necessary), throw in a DFG for good measure and a double or triple kill should be well in hand. Ofc, kiting Garen is always fun too.
Well, technically that heal increase is +32% to the heal effect, not +32% Spell Vamp.

But increasing all your healing/regen by 1/3 is still fantastic in combat. People never see it coming, a Vlad at no HP using pool and suddenly having half his HP back cause they though he was a good jump target :3 Also good with Visage, pretty much 150% healing effectiveness.

And glad to help; lol wiki's fantastic. Also agreed on FoN.

 
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Well, technically that heal increase is +32% to the heal effect, not +32% Spell Vamp.

But increasing all your healing/regen by 1/3 is still fantastic in combat. People never see it coming, a Vlad at no HP using pool and suddenly having half his HP back cause they though he was a good jump target :3 Also good with Visage, pretty much 150% healing effectiveness.

And glad to help; lol wiki's fantastic. Also agreed on FoN.
Oh yeah, that's what I meant; SV = Spirit Visage which works essentially the same way, except it also boosts vamp. I'm really glad I saw that, 'cause now I'll be taking Will as a more situational item since you can't use it in Pool. Always good to run across a fellow Vlad player.

 
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If it isn't broke you don't fix it stupid.

Riot should take at note from this.....

 
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I'm just glad to see a Vlad thread. I love Vlad, been my main since I got him.

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