dont forget about nocturne, sivir, and maybe even galio?

edit: i guess noc and sivir are covered under spell shields

The on hit was once less than 20% scaling. 16% I think....

In that case, "TECHNICALLY", you do care about the poison. "E"s passive is a on-hit immediate poison hit, then the DoT, so you have your base AA damage + the on-hit poison damage before the DoT is even calculated into that. Whats more, the on-hit poison damage actually hits way harder than the DoT.

theres also mordekaiser, urgot, malphs passive, shaco's ult, sion, riven, on top of sivir, oriana, lulu, yorick, lux, rumble, and basically anyone with a shield. Also, the summoner's shield will eat that too.

It's hard to see how there's any evidence that any form of a nerf was needed given his almost complete absence from competitive level play and his average win rate. There's plenty of counter-play for his shrooms. Late game people countered it through their regular play by virtue of traveling in a pack with the tank/bruiser leading and someone with oracles. If it was ever a serious problem for you you could always just not walk through suspect bushes (generally a good idea anyway) or buy Veil.

A Teemo with Hurricane who still has that kind of AP is going for a pure glass cannon late game build. If you have trouble dealing with a squishy champion with less AA range than most CC I suspect Teemo is the least of your problems.

It's also worth noting that the poison doesn't stack, so you're loosing out on a sizable portion of that damage except on Teemo's last applied AA.

BFT is game breaking in Dominion. Before it's release Teemo was at best a solid pick. But then, BFT is breaking a lot of champions. Hence it still being an awesome item after repeated nerfs.

Why dont we just get rid of his ult and replace it with a medic kit that will heal whoever steps on it and place a shield for 50% of their HP that lasts until destroyed.

Teemo was always one of the best champions in dominion. He is far more then just a "solid pick". BFT just made him officially OP like jayce. And blackfire torch is hardly game breaking. Teemo's shrooms taking off 50% of peoples hp has nothing to do with blackfire. The ability was too strong to begin with.

Who the hell cares about dominion, ive been playing teemo for 3 years SR exclusively and it hurts.

Its not like oracle nerfs changes anything. Barely. People always refused to buy oracle for shrooms, now its just poor excuse to nerf teemo while graves and Ez still rape faces.

L2counter. As a Teemo player I know when good teemo places shrooms and I can easily avoid it. But keep playing easy heroes who dont require any skill and tactics. Walk brainlessly into teamfights and bushes and then cry for nerfs.

This. Even though I've never lost to a Teemo, I can understand why they nerfed his shrooms. You really can't check the edge of brush even if you're smart enough to buy oracles UNTIL going in the brush.

The -150 damage is good considering Liandry's help to rebalance his damage output. And for those who built bruiser teemo... you had no ap damage in the first place. Toxic shot was never that deadly to me. I guess people like standing in place as a Teemo shoots them and their teammates.

But either way, nerfing him hasn't changed his effectiveness.

Yeah, it seems like people who don't buy oracles are the ones who complain the most. Even though stepping on multiple shrooms refreshed the DoT, a full AP/squishy Teemo could be safe without ever taking a hit.

I'd rather they nerf him this way than to do something drastic like limit the time on shrooms or the number of shrooms he can place. THAT would make him unplayable.