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bluescarla ?? Senior Member
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12-17-2012

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Originally Posted by Prof Longfellow View Post
Quick question: I know now that, if I'm supporting an ADC in bot, I should avoid farming any minions. But even when I just stand there, it looks as if my auto-attack is going off without any input from me, and sometimes I'm getting last hits. The only way to avoid this is to constantly click on unoccupied bits of map and run around in circles, which is pretty hard and destroys my map awareness. Should I be doing this, or are occasional auto attack kills ok, or is there some way of turning auto attacking off?
Like ZQKES said, "By pressing the button S when ingame your character will not perform any autoattacks but will rather just stand there and do nothing, even when hit."

CReePs Score

But really It all depends on your situation. When your Bot bush is warded which you can tell by if Minons or their Attacks are targeting you ( Not SkillShots ) You want to get out of that bush because there is no point of you standing there and being useless. Move around a bit mostly but near your ADC so in case a skill shot is launched you'll be able to jump in and take the damage protecting your ADC. When it comes to you getting CS ( Creep Score ) you want to get CS only when your ADC is not around, Pushing the lane by yourself, and getting rid of the minion wave at your tower ( which I still don't really recommend to do when your adc is around ) Damaging minions is completely Alright but taking the CS from a ADC is not.

Map AWARENESS

As for map awareness it shouldn't affect anything, maybe failure to ward properly is what affecting you but if you can't be aware of the map while on the move then practice more moving around and paying attention to the map at the same time. Like I said before Map awareness is a skill you must learn on your own.

My Recommendations

I recommend using NUNU support right now if you want to practice what I said because Nunu has his W which gives insane attack speed and movement speed to you and your target ally, Highly good for mobility and ADCs like Catilyn, Varus, and Vyane. Nunu is pretty tanky and can absorb hits like a boss when he is hurt you can use his Q on a enemy Minion to heal up which is pretty insane and annoying when your against a NUNU because if their smart they will take all the damage for their ADC and heal afterwards, some may even zone you out from EXP/Gold by so much harassment.

What to do Recommendations summary

-Try Nunu Support
-Protect your ADC by taking all the hits for them
-Take a certain amount of CS when healing from your damage
-Move around While paying attention to your lane and your map
-Manage your mana when using Nunu's W (Blood Boil Buff) and Q (consume)

Hope this helps you out summoner, Prof Longfellow.
If you want any further help Add me in the game or continue to ask questions on the forums or both.

 
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Oddible ?? Senior Member
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12-17-2012

Good basic guide but there is a huge issue in this thread and maybe it is something you can address in the guide. At least two people in this thread have indicated that they are struggling with the game so they decided to play support. This is a problematic decision and contributes to supports getting a bad rap. The support role is a very challenging role and if you aren't doing well as ADC you likely aren't doing well as support either, only it is less noticeable to you since you don't have the big death number to self evaluate.

Don't "hide out" in support guys. Especially in the early game the supports often carry the ADC and poke the lane. Learn all roles to be better at any individual role.

 
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12-17-2012

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I remember near the end of Season 2, the people with the highest solo Q elos on the NA server were a SUPPORT(#1), ADC(#2), and JUNGLE(#3). While the top 3 elos on the EUW was an APC(#1), TOP(#2), and another ADC(#3). This just goes to show that all roles are very well balanced and that there is no "most important" role or "least important" role. A good support will make the adc's life so easy that he'll think he's free farming while a bad support will have your adc underleveled and theirs on a legendary killing spree.

However, if you picked support because you like the role a lot, by all means go for it. I just wanted to dispell the myth that support is he least important role and mid is the most important one.

 
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bluescarla ?? Senior Member
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12-18-2012

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Good basic guide but there is a huge issue in this thread and maybe it is something you can address in the guide. At least two people in this thread have indicated that they are struggling with the game so they decided to play support. This is a problematic decision and contributes to supports getting a bad rap. The support role is a very challenging role and if you aren't doing well as ADC you likely aren't doing well as support either, only it is less noticeable to you since you don't have the big death number to self evaluate.

Don't "hide out" in support guys. Especially in the early game the supports often carry the ADC and poke the lane. Learn all roles to be better at any individual role.
I don't really think this is a big issue here on this thread. I've mention that I encourage new players to play support also just because you do poorly as ADC doesn't necessary mean you'll do the same as a support. I'm a bad ADC but I feel comfortable as being a support. I also feel comfortable as top and mid. Yes it may be true to learn all roles and how their played but I believe a player should really focus on a role they truly good at.

This guide is meant to help players to learn how to support not telling people play support because its good for you. There is a lack of good support player out there just filling in the numbers.

NOTE:

Not trying to say I'm a bad ass support so listen to me just simply giving my advice to others. I'm glad that I've made this thread for those who needed it. I also give thanks to those who added me and turned out to be actually a better support player than me I have learned so much from each other.
That is all I will say.

I'll continue answering questions.....

 
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bluescarla ?? Senior Member
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12-19-2012

merw

 
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12-19-2012

Hmm, I'm a lv. 30 summoner, and I've been trying to play support as much as I can in PVP (I only have 15 wins, and I usually don't do PVPs because of time constraints, as well as because I don't feel comfortable going solo queue -my brother has 330+ wins and silver elo as of the end of season 2, and he sometimes plays with me), and I had a question: Do you ward the entire game? Like if you know that the ward in ___ bush or at the dragon, etc. etc. is going to expire soon, and you are sure that the enemy jungler or mid (or any others, if past the lane phase) isn't around, and ADC is doing all right down at bot, would you go and ward those places right before the ward expires? Or keep going with your team and only get to the warding if your presence isn't needed during skirmishes, teamfights, etc.? I've always wondered about it ^^;

BTW, I main Lulu and working on Taric, Blitzcrank, and Soraka (at least PVPs).

 
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bluescarla ?? Senior Member
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Do you ward the entire game? Like if you know that the ward in ___ bush or at the dragon, etc. etc. is going to expire soon, and you are sure that the enemy jungler or mid (or any others, if past the lane phase) isn't around, and ADC is doing all right down at bot, would you go and ward those places right before the ward expires? Or keep going with your team and only get to the warding if your presence isn't needed during skirmishes, teamfights, etc.? I've always wondered about it ^^;.
Very Good questions there.

Warding

If you must know I will continue to ward wherever and whenever I can until the end of the match. I don't simply just stop warding after laneing phase like how some other supports do. Usually what I do is buy a small part of a item in my build then what left over gold I have I use on wards repeating this process over and over until I finish my 5 item build. I always check on the amount of time I have left on the wards placed out on the field.There is a 3 min lifespan on wards so either prepare another ward or approach carefully if you confident that the enemy isn't around.

Team-fighting

Forget warding a team fight is going on.Go out there and help! You either ward after or before a team fight breaks out. At most cases if you stick truly to your gut and ward appropriated times then you usually have wards out before a team fights happens.

Trust your gut or dont trust it at all

When your warding you should always consider which certain places to ward at certain times. Remember your keeping track on the enemy's movements so if the enemy jungler haven't ganked a lane yet usually its top first and you haven't warded bot at all yet. You better be dam sure he isn't going to gank your dumbass so its better be safe than sorry and place wards at bot ( tri-bush and dragon) to confirm that he will try to gank your lane if they are there same goes for the enemy's mid player their always try to gank if mia.

Cool that you main lulu support, I havent met much players who main lulu, You may know this already but I main Leona. If you and any further question be I encourage you to ask on this thread or add me in the game to ask.

 
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12-19-2012

Ah, thank you very much c: That makes so much more sense now ^^ I'll be sure to be back to ask more questions as they arise~

 
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Andarel ?? Senior Member
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12-19-2012

This is pretty important, and is really important for good warding practice:

Wards grant vision for a period of time, but vision isn't important unless you use it. If you're playing support, look at the map and find where you most wish you could see: when laning it's often the river, but sometimes you just really want to be able to know if someone is in that lane bush. Midgame, you always want to see the center of the map because people pass through it, and you want to see whichever jungle is most active. As you get better you'll get a sense of where their jungler is, and know what advantages vision gives: in particular, the ability to time your lane's pushing to take advantage of the enemy lane + jungle's position. Wards aren't a protection mechanism if you don't use them, and most people know that, but they're also only as useful as you let them be. If there's a teamfight, you don't need vision - you need to be at the teamfight! If there's no teamfight, make sure you don't die and find out where people are going. Especially with Sightstone, warding somewhere just to check what's up isn't a bad idea anymore.

So next time you hit mid-lategame, look at the map and say: if I had vision *here*, it would be really helpful. And if it's safe, try warding that spot. My recommendations? In your jungle is crucial if the enemy team is moving around in it. Near enemy red/wraiths is great if you want early warning of their jungle. And right in the middle of mid lane is great if the lane isn't staying even, especially if they have someone who pushes hard and then roams (like Morgana) and you need to know where they're roaming.

Also, Ruby Sightstone is freaking strong and the best investment you could possibly make as a support. You should be getting it just about every game.

 
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bluescarla ?? Senior Member
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12-21-2012

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