Originally Posted by Gadalar
Only directed at Spiku
4.) Not entirely 80% of the games played that include Vi, those Vi's even if they fully don't understand what they are doing are doing extremely well because they don't realize what's happening. As for those that do it's hard to counter her cause it really is.
Making up statistics is not useful in a pbe environment. You have no way of knowing that is accurate, even if you went off your own games. Most pbe games I play there are some bad players that I can farm heavily off of; if I recall, I've won every single nasus game I've played on pbe; this does not mean Nasus is 100% win rate overpowered. Every Vi I've seen today has done consistently badly; but I would not say this makes her a bad character; it is far too small a pool to consider.
However, when she is compared to the top laners I mentioned, and to be fair a good deal of the cast, she does not do well. It is not hard to counter her' she is easily kited, and she ha a telegraphed gap closer unless she is breaking out the ulti; and when you're in lane that ulti should be reserved for when they've flashed away or breaking their commit on you.
Jayce doesn't care about her at all: ranged poke + knockback if she goes in.
Nidalee can full poke and farm, and cannot be pinned in place, has sustain.
Darius wins on trades that even if Vi were to start getting the upperhand (re: 3 stacks), his bleed stacks provide a move speed to break past and retain dots. Only if you ulti during his ult will you come out on top
Riven is just you but with more movement and more reliable shields and a better cc in lane
Rengar can keep you slowed out of being able to do anything, with manaless harass, and has sustain
Surprisingly Garen beats out just from having the speed (which also leads to a silence) to keep off of you.
You have no sticking power to deal with singed; but then you can farm quite happily so it's no huge deal.
Shen can poke you with no real recompense, and has better sustain, but you can still farm if he doesn't lock the lane
Vlad stomps all over you for obvious reasons
Renekton has sustain, and better movement options; while you can trade between each other and both push the lane, this comes down to how you manage creeps more than anything else so you can keep your farm up, because he wins out. Becase he can win on the sustain he doesn't need to worry about the prolonged fight proc'ing multiple q's
Irelia; you both get to farm, no biggie; but Irelia is Irelia; if your team is cc heavy she does better, if hers isn't, you do better; the problem is she comes with sustain that you do not; and you cannot engage on her anyway due to reducing her below your health causes you to not be able to stay on her with the equilibrium.
Kennen: can freely harass you out of lane with no-mana poke and lightning rush as a reliable escape (usually + stun if you are on him)
Olaf: The trades aren't too bad given on his true damage hit you could q into him; but that means after the first few levels he will be poking you with his slow; largely it comes down to mana control, but on jungle ganks he has an advantage, and at 6 he doesn't care about your ulti of course; this one actually surprised me how Olaf came out on top.
Akali: Free poke, and if you do land a Q she will stealth through it; once she has spellvamp the lane is free to her
Teemo: Well, yeah, Teemo.
There's always skill mismatch, and jungler competance; but when it comes to her lane performance she does not shine particularly well.
The good news is she stomps trynd, ad sion, yi, and also nasus if you lock the lane to your side
edit: Given Gadalar doesn't care to respond to any points beside the fact that his stating that 80% of all Vi games go a certain way, there is little point to maintaining a discussion.