Originally Posted by SnesController
Actually, Viktor wants to advance his agenda and isn't above using force to accomplish his goals, as seen in Jayce's lore.
This is the problem. Riot says one thing, and does another, imo. They try to claim it's a matter of shades of gray, that neither side is truly good or evil, but then LET'S INVADE IONIA AND BUTCHER CIVILIANS AND MELT VILLAGES BECAUSE POWER. Demacia has never engaged in a war of conquest, while Noxus has never done anything 'good' for any nation. If the evils perpetuated in Noxus were only done by a few psychopaths and were not the true will of Noxus, why don't we have something to show that, like Noxus apologizing or giving gold or something? All we have ever had post-war on the subject, that I remember, is Katarina saying that Noxus was doing Ionia a favor by trying to take them over. Heil, Kat.
Or in the case of Viktor, perfect example! He's supposed to be not good or evil, just trying to further his own philosophy. His work was stolen, he should hate that sort of thing. Yet, what is the one piece of non-bio lore we have of him? Viktor acting like a goddamn Ninja Turtles villain, trying to steal Piltover's science with his crew of Foot Clan. It's like a bad joke. Half the time, I can't really take the lore seriously, because the 'bad' things in the lore are to such an absurd degree that it's like a comic book story.
I remember Riot saying part of this is because they want it to be a match of good and evil for the people who don't read the lore and only play the game for its face value, and that's fine. But for those of us who read the lore, where exactly is the 'good' of Noxus? The only things I've ever seen people able to argue are completely ignoring the lore that's actually happened and arguing strictly from a point of head in the clouds philosophy. That's fine, that's valid, but at the end of the day, I can't find someone who can seriously, with a straight face, say that Demacia and Noxus are depicted as equally good or evil, that it's all perfectly gray. It's not. And after a while, it gets pretty irritating.
Originally Posted by Xoripan
I remember reading that Riven's lore stated that she refused to kill in name of Demacia, but they changed it to Noxus... Why?
It's because Riven's original lore was that she was exiled from Demacia for opposing the mistreatment of Noxian prisoners. But this lore was changed to her being an exile from Noxus, because it was decided that her original lore was not something Demacia would do.