Sighstone provides 150 gold worth of wards every three minutes. At 950 gold it pays for itself in 19 minutes. Providing a functional amount of health (worth ~950 gold in ruby sightstone) effectively depresses it's cost to 475 paying for itself in roughly 9 minutes.

Philo generates 30 gold per minute. Providing roughly 1 (90g) ward every three minutes. Which you will be paying for with. Compare to sighstone where the ward is free (giving you effectively twice the gold to spend every three minutes as philo).

Honestly there's no reason to NOT buy sighstone if you can affor it, at 250 gold more than Philo it won't kill you and provides almost twice the GP10 in a single slot, and more than twice if you upgrade it. And Health is a great stat.

I like Sightstone. I can place wards on the map and not care about wasting money because on recall I get my charges back and so on. A ward I have on the map for 90 seconds is better than a ward I didnt have at all.

Huh how did you get hte money for sightstone at 2:30? ... Lets do some real math here...

2 wards x 3mins each... = 6mins.... 2:30 + 6 mins... = 8:30... you buy sightstone.. they each cost you 92 gold for the first 12 wards.. 8:30 - 14:30 = 6:30... you can play 2-3 wards in that time... you never made your money back in that short of time.... and there is no "free health" you had to buy the health before you can get the sightstone...

For a person going sight wards only... you only need 4 x 75 = 300 gold... 950 - 300 = 650, enough to buy the ruby crystal, prop stone, and work on ages items (already have 1 of them now in the ruby crystal), or lucky pix to get way a head in gold as the game keeps going on.

Because the support with the sightstone can not buy additional wards for some reason.

Every ward you place by using sightstone is 75 gold saved compared to a ward bought in the shop. It will eventually pay for itself and it definitely is a gold efficient item.

You don't buy sightstone to start immediately fighting the enemy jungler, you buy it to avoid the enemy jungler. Logic

If they buy more wards... that puts the item that much more enfficient as a item... Even if you do, that's TWO spaces gon now that you will need to build your items that cost at least 3 spaces... boots... and 2 of your spaces are already being sit on for GP (count, 8 out of 6 spaces).

Eventually.. but how long is eventually and at what cost? Remember you are still limited to 2 wards.. meaning you wont be able to cover the map like someone going wards would... even if you buy the wards with your sightstone.. you increase the cost of how much the sightstone is costing you in the long run...

Also... nice troll pick on just a section of words just so you can comment on it... bring some real proof and we'll talk. Have you seen my thread o.o I already went over this stuff many many times... It's always the same stuff people bring up... All they see is, "free wards" and they think they know what they're talking about >.>

Let me ask you this...what would you pick if I was to offer you $1000 or only a $1 per min (it's a trick question btw)?

How is this remotely different from Philo + Wards?

Seriously, you haven't stopped looking like a troll the entire time.

I'm not sure how you're managing your inventory space but usually I have enough for boots+flask+sightstone+wards+2 situational items.

Also you're repeating your wrong point about being limited to 2 wards. Yes sightstone alone can only have 2 wards at the same time but you can still buy wards from the shop. In fact you can ward more since you get 2-4 wards for free every time you get back to the fountain.
Also whether you buy wards or not does not change the efficiency of sightstone. Why would it?

Since you asked for math:

Assuming that players use the same gp/10 runes in both cases. If we want to see how long it takes for both items to pay for itself:

Philostone gets you 5 gold every 10 seconds or 1 gold every 2 seconds. The item itself costs 740g for the full recipe. Philo gets you 740g in 1480sec or 24.6min.

Sightstone gives you the ability to place 4 wards (2 at the same time). The item itself costs 950g for the full recipe. 4 wards cost 300g. Assuming that you use all four wards before you go back, after backing 3 times you get almost the same value (900).

Of course it's different from game to game but it's fairly solid to assume that you're going back (or are killed) three or more times within 24min.

Now if we want to compare for wards, the extra income from a gp10 item gives you two wards at 5min, three wards at 7:30min, four wards at 10min while Sightstone is dependant on when you go back. Going back once in 10min is pretty common for a support.

I still stand by my point that Sightstone is a (very) gold efficient item.

Ok, lets say your math was right.. it still doesn't explande why I am getting almost 2 sitiational items WAY before the other support can... still have enought wards to place 2 or 3 down... and still only B as many times as I would with a sightstone.

This means your math is going a ray "somewhere" where mine is working 100% I wont say what, but it's there as I did the math as well and posted it in a thread.


Btw... I am not saying we should return it back to the OP way... More or less... I am requesting a redesign on the item to be bit more scaleable.... That's just me tho.. I already made a thread about a redesign.

Explain me why you would have more items way before the support with the gold efficient item.