Urgot was picked a few times in the solomid series as a mid.

Morello, i haven't seen anyone reds talk about zyra and why her passive was nerfed and her grasping roots speed was reduced. Since i play ap zyra mid alot i am kinda curious why you nerfed them both after not seeing zyra nerfs for awhile?And i heard it was something about support zyras, but why nerf a champion who was ment to be played as ap mid, and got nerfed because she was played as a support. shed some light please?

@Morello

Aside from testing her post nerf, I've been extremely disheartened and unmotivated to play League. I still enjoy playing other wonderful champions and my friends have dragged me into a few games and I still have fun.

However, when I look at Diana I get upset all over again.

I'll be there when you take a "real" look at "fixing" her.

I'll gladly take a slower Q (I play a LOT of Anivia after all...) in exchange for a kit that isn't rage-inducing.

I know you're read it on the vast majority of posts here, but Diana's kit flows well, I don't want it to change, I want it to work.

W : Range is entirely too short and, in my opinion, does NOT match the animation. That I can attack something and have my Orbs NOT pop is incredibly frustrating.

E : Was hard enough to land/rather predictable in the first place with a large wind up time but very satisfying results when executed well. It now feels like a waste of a skill point. If you really have to give/take, ditch/reduce the slow, the pull range was dead on IMO.

R : That you are NOT rewarded for a max range Q is an insult. Hopefully a slower Q can result in a same-range R.

Thanks,
~Rae~

Morello, i think some of the nerf to Diana don't make sense: Why nerfing her ultimate range lower than her Q max range? Does Riot don't want her Q->R burst combo at full potential in the game? It is strange considering that it is part of her mechanics from the beginning and one of the most satisfying things about her kit.

The shield should be adjusted to something between her previous one and the nerfed one. Like other fellow summoners pointed out, now you need to be really close to anything to get the effect.

Sorry if my post comes out as raging. I'll really like some light on the thinking behind this changes.

This probably won't be seen but I have to ask.

When this nerf goes live, will you be reverting the other nerfs? Or at least the W and R nerfs?

There's actually a particular issue with buffing or nerfing Diana specifically--

She's very binary.

Some people may consider this trait good for balance, but it's actually quite troublesome:

If she only does one thing, with one particular optimal sequencing, she'll be sensitive to wild swings in power by modifying elements of that sequence.

So, if you make it easier to dodge her Q, there's a very real possibility she will feel useless.
She needs to land that Q first to move into her optimal combo.

A better nerf or readjustment would potentially be reducing the annoyance factor from her poke, and localize her power more to melee range perhaps with this set:

1. Lower Q damage, perhaps lots.
2. R now only consumes the Moonlight stack on the target she jumps to-- this allows her to jump around more based upon skillful Q placement.
3. Increase shield strength.
(As the core framework, many other things could augment it.)

The goal being to diversify her potential combat tactics, and thus allow higher resolution balancing. (While perhaps being more fun.)

Wow, I see that this post got really good!

I wish I had posted in it when it had 5 comments :[

I know right, i am pretty sure my question about zyra won't be answer by morello, but there is always hope. *"looks to the sky for a ray of light"*

Plus popular picks made by the pro's are considered the best picks, but they just pick those champions because they are comfortable playing it, and can play it well. Most champions are viable, just not something the pro players (some who've only been playing half a year) may know how to play.

Nautilus is an example of this. He has a ton of crowd control, but you have to know when and how to use him. I've tower dived tons of times, then got counter ganked with no health behind enemy turrets, and gotten away by throwing a q to the edge of the wall and rushing past the turret. One shield is enough to keep me alive through the one or two turret shots. Most tower divers don't have this mobility. He's similar to a stacked cho'gath as a frontliner, and larger if lulu uses her ult on you. He's a great peeler and disruption for the enemy team as well. Problem is the pro's don't know he exists, or don't know how to play him comfortably.

Ahri is another example, you see her very rarely in tournaments, because she's hard to play, but the one or two times you see her, the person really knows how she works, and they dominate (Possibly because the other team isn't used to playing against her).

Of course there are some champions that have been nerfed to the point of being a bad pick, but you can't assume just because its not seen in tournaments, it must be unviable

It sucks that someone like Tryndamere, one of the league's most iconic heroes, is in the state he is right now.
He was one of the first champions I heard of when i first started playing League.
Just a shame that someone who was once so high up in strength (people used to FEAR the barbarian king when he came on the fields of justice)
Now he is just one of the forgotten ;l(