if he takes a q at lvl 1 his jungling goes plummeting down the hill plus it gap gloser that like saying anybody with gap closer are the strongest lvl 1 and plus he will put him and his team in danger(obviously idiots will just stand there).Is talon strong at lvl 1?HELL NO. But I dont suggest you invade everytime(it still a very effective way to counter him)Another way and the funnier way is to kill him at red.AMUMU cannot win a duel 1v1 against a mundo,udyr,skarner,shyvana,volibear,diana,nocturne ,olaf.If you manage to kill him at red then possiply killing him at the next blue or stealing his next blue ....HE IS DONE FOR GG."I seen amumu surive the first clear without blue" YEAH AT THE COST OF GANKS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO CLEAR HIS JUNGLE AND WORRIES ABOUT HIS MANA."You mob up some sorry sap with a good counter gank and then your team basically kills blue for you (you just smite) now you have a little bonus gold from the kill, blue, and level 2 so taking q first didn't set you back..." OH WAIT AMUMU WINS A LVL 1 FIGHT VS BLITZCRANK ,ALLISTAR ,CASSIO,EZREAL,MORGANA,TARIC.....THE LIST GOES ON .As I said before amumu bandage toss is very weak lvl 1 tool to secure a kill.It might even wind up killing him.Amumu is constantly ban at low elo because nobody dodges his q nor invades him or counterjungles him.When it so damn easy to do so.BTW saying that amumu q is a strong lvl 1 tells me you are inexperienced.

Amumu does too much damage for how tanky he is, and he's too easy to use for how rewarding he is. For how good his late game his, his early game should be Nautilus-tier weak... but it isn't. He has a much easier time coming back from being counter-jungled/killed/denied than Nautilus, yet transitions faster than him as well.

He needs to be nerfed so that he'll be a fair champion... like Jarvan.

Do you play Amumu? Do you play Nautilus? Have you noticed that they're COMPLETELY different champs? Have you noticed that Amumu gets very little natural tankiness? Have you noticed that if Amumu whiffs an ult he has very little to contribute to a fight? And give us some examples of how he "does too much damage," please.

If you really want to make a good argument too, don't resurrect a week old thread to make a complaint like this. It just makes you look unoriginal.

stonewall had a comment amumu clear to fast now. He also stated he get to tanky and do to much damage with the new item.

Yes I have played Amumu and I used to play Naut almost exclusively in S2.
They may be different champions, but they both serve similar roles as tanky initiators/disruptors.

Amumu may get very little natural tankiness, but Nautilus has even less, along with much higher cooldowns. As for damage it's not even close, Amumu has much more damage overall, even without his ult.

I've played against quite the number of Amumu's (from AP to full tank) and I think he does too much damage for how tough he can be to kill, and how disruptive he can be, in teamfights.
Even without his high damage he would still be useful imo.

Depth Charge has the capacity to turn the tides, but it's quite sensitive to context/team compositions.
Curse of the Sad Mummy will turn the tides, even if it only hits 2 people.

It takes a little too much to counter Amumu imo, at least compared to other tanks.

Completely agree, that ult is just ridiculous .

Amumu is very vunerable to blue steal and counter jungling. But I agree that he wins team fights. I played a blind pick (i know rage rage rage) where there were two amumu's. We stole his blue, our amumu took his blue and while we had a good lane phase, team fights were still fairly even if the other amumu got the initiation. Bottom line here is that even though you can counter jungle him, when he hits 6 he is going to be able to impact team fights immensely. His ulti is just very very strong and doesn't have a good counter; unless everyone takes cleanse/ picks up QSS.

Quicksilver sash.

Counter amumu you say? simple. It's called chuck norris. He clears his red, clears his wraiths, clears his wolves, kills amumu at red, and then proceeds to be a happy counter jungling blind man.

I'm ammused. But you are missing the point. We agree that he is counterjungleable. But once he hits 6 he is going to have team fight presence. And he is going to hurt a lot.