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Feedback on S3 Items on ARAM

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innervation ?? Senior Member
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12-23-2012

^ That is also a very elegant solution that shouldn't affect SR adversely and wouldn't take *too* much work on Riots end (I don't think).

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PrincessDerpy ?? Senior Member
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12-24-2012

Please put BoRK on this map. Every couple of days I find myself building that Cutlass to transition into BoRK only to remember that BoRK isn't on this map.

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newbin ?? Senior Member
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12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by RiotNome View Post
The item still has applications. If there's any chance it can be used in a smart fashion, I wouldn't want to remove it unless the trap case was very negative.

Its passive also remains applicable to champions like Malzahar and Elise.
I used promote in season 2 haven't used the new item version yet. It is very useful for pushing a tower down after a team battle and you don't have enough allies alive to push it down. I also used it early game to push the lane back their way to get bush control and get them to waste some mana and cooldowns. It can be used strategically and is under rated but useless late game.

More people would use it if you can upgrade any unit instead of wait for cannon minion.

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Xenîth ?? Senior Member
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12-26-2012

For the people hating on Banner of Command.

It's funny when you have:
Nunu's bloodboil
Karma's shield burst
Lulu's Shield
Sivr's Ult

Just watch them try to kill it.

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AgathosAnthropos ?? Junior Member
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12-26-2012

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While I think people throw around the term "trap item" a bit too loosely, I really think it applies here. Not because 5 people can destroy it, but because the active is unuseable when the inhib is down. Also, because +AP/Armor already exists on a very desirable item.

I would expect that a counter argument would start off with something like "yes, but you got to use it how many times before that? 4-5?" Rarely - in my experience. Why? Because you can't afford to rush this item in order to maximize the use of the active. Additionally, the opportunity cost of the item (the things you could be buying otherwise) are SO GOOD, that the power you sacrifice by buying this item isn't worth the aura it might give to pets on your team.

1. Pretty much everyone who wants this item is a mana user, and needs a tear or chalice, or both first.

2. If you're a support looking at this item, you have to get bulwark first. Bulwark is too good to prioritize Banner over it. Then you have to think about shard, zekes, wota, as well as cdr and possibly damage. Knowing that you already have tear + bulwark + boots, how many more siege minions are going to spawn this game with an inhib up? Is it smart to get Banner at this point over one of those other compelling options? I don't think it's in the discussion currently.

3. If you are Malzahar or Elise, you could theoretically rush it after one mana item, but that means you have no +hp, no magic resistance, and no progress toward a zhonya's or hat. If you could apply the aura to the 'pets' that are classified as 'traps', I think that would make the item a more reasonable purchase. (AP shaco isn't that mana hungry and might think about this item, Zyra's plants are strong enough that I think she would consider it as well. Maokai less so).

4. If I'm an ap tank like mummy or mundo...I just can't justify getting this item considering the opportunity cost of the magi res / HP / damage / aura that I could be getting otherwise.

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At the end of the day, I can't sit here and tell you that there is "no chance it can be used in a smart fashion" I definitely vote for "improve" over remove. One or two of the following:

>Make it affect 'trap' type pets.
>Add a health or magi res component.
>Change the active to affect either siege or super minions (whichever is available), or change it to affect melee or ranged creeps. You should never NOT be able to use the active if the c/d is available.
>Give the aura an additional bonus to allied champions.
Pretty much this. I've built it twice, on Janna and Taric. In both cases it was after I had my mandatory support items and in both cases I believe I got to use it once. First 15 minutes, can't afford it for other items are much too important and after that the inhib is usually down, meaning the active is useless.

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Knives4me ?? Junior Member
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12-31-2012

I really, really want a force of nature on this map.

That is all.

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Lumovanis ?? Senior Member
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12-31-2012

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1. Banner of Command should be removed. The active isn't usable, and a few teammates of mine have wasted gold on it mistakenly.
Banner is so much fun on a team with champs that have pets (heimer, zyra, malzahar, yorick, etc), I don't think its a terrible item, I think it has a specific use here honestly.


I agree that bulwark is a strong item here, but removing it will leave a big hole in the magic resist department, it kind of replaced FoN in that regard honestly. Kitae's needs to go or get switched to physical, it's so awful on AD it makes me sad every time I see it in the item list at all (can we have our lovely blade of the ruined king instead? :3). Chalice honestly seems a bit much here, it gives casters an almost limitless harass potential, and very very rarely do I not start with it when I get a caster. Though when you don't have it you certainly feel it when you go OOM right away. Maybe a slightly toned-down chalice here? I agree with most people here saying that prospector's items need to replace doran's (I keep getting people on my team that think stacking doran's items is an unbeatable strategy anyways :P)

Also, Van Damm's needs to be reimplemented and put into this map ASAP.

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01-06-2013

i dont know if its too late to comment but i personally think the new warmogs is kinda broken in aram in terms of hp given, not the sustain, my reasoning is that you dont have time to let warmogs tick usually. after about 10 minutes fights happen every time someone is caught or when everyone spawns.

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Mandaari ?? Senior Member
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01-07-2013

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I would like to see blade of the ruined king on here as well as blackfire torch instead of LT.
This ^

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01-07-2013

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I'd love to know how people feel about S3 Warmog's.
I honestly feel that warmogs should be removed in aram. On champs like Anivia or Mundo. It gets pretty ridiculous how much damage they put out and how little we can really do to kill them.

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