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AP Mages are losing their place in League

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Raburi ?? Senior Member
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01-03-2013

Moon Bump Escalation

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Gureedu ?? Recruiter
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01-03-2013

True utility champs can be played, but more or less they are like a fed support than an active carry in the current stage.

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01-03-2013

I just hope that they wont buff all the AP's or their items either. I feel like AP's power level is just fine and healthy. AD itemization is just too strong with all the scalings. It was not common in S1 & S2 too stack as much AD as possible. Now everyone does it as soon as possible and its kind of cheap. Tanks are basically non existent anymore as they cant tank anything. AD casters basically do what mages are supposed to do right now but in a crazy way. Never saw health bars burning down as fast as in this preseason. And it doesnt feel good so far, at least for me.

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Originally Posted by Vanra View Post
Change all AP ratios to AD. They might as well with all the ad casters these days.
This actually makes sense. With champions like Darius, Draven, Garen, Olaf, Riven, Talon, Vayne, and Zed all having all of their abilities scale off of only AD, there really is no difference between AD and AP at this point, except that AD affects more than just your abilities.

The only problem is that older champions like Master Yi that were designed around the concept of having AP affect abilities while AD affects attacks would most likely become outrageously strong.

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Originally Posted by ElementzPRO View Post
Noob falling for the noobtrap

Unique: Deals 15% of target champion's maximum health in magic damage and applies the debuff, Doom. Doom amplifies all magic damage that champion takes by 20% for 4 seconds. 60 second cooldown (750 range).

vs

Unique: +35% magic penetration

If you use dfg against an opponent you gain 20% damage against them for 4 seconds
if you have void staff you do about 20% more damage to every opponent at all times because you are penetrating their MR
I'm not an "Elementz" fan-boi, but this statement is completely [B]true[B].

And as to the original poster, I agree. AP champions - even in a utility sense for this pre-season - are in a terrible spot in terms of their mid lane presence, or even any kind of gaming viability altogether.

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01-03-2013

what an eye opener. looks like i need to find a ranged ADC to play so i can stop falling off late game

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01-03-2013

Bump for this thread.

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01-03-2013

wish i had smartened up before i bought all AP runes

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01-03-2013

No matter how much armor pen can get silly on AD casters etc, it still will have issues.

An all AD team will fall off later game with no AP present, the opposing team will just ignore MR for the most part and build health + Armor, it's enough to get them buy.

AP casters bring more utility than ADs usually will. Morg, Anivia, Ahri, Orianna, Zyra, Fiddlesticks, Twister Fate, Lux, etc.

They are going to bring more to a team than Talon, Pantheon, Lee Sin, Rengar, Wukong etc. will in over picking one AP caster over them. Some AP might have less utility but still have a place the ADs can't fill.

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Originally Posted by Red Ryu View Post
No matter how much armor pen can get silly on AD casters etc, it still will have issues.

An all AD team will fall off later game with no AP present, the opposing team will just ignore MR for the most part and build health + Armor, it's enough to get them buy.

AP casters bring more utility than ADs usually will. Morg, Anivia, Ahri, Orianna, Zyra, Fiddlesticks, Twister Fate, Lux, etc.

They are going to bring more to a team than Talon, Pantheon, Lee Sin, Rengar, Wukong etc. will in over picking one AP caster over them. Some AP might have less utility but still have a place the ADs can't fill.
All that utility doesnt matter if you get CCed and killed within 2-3 seconds which is what happens to me in teamfights

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