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Carry Dominion : Kayle Style

 
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Das Strychnine ?? Senior Member
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01-01-2013

Kayle loses to both Malz and Yorick, she is essentially an AD Carry with a 3 second invulnerability ult but still doesn't change the fact that she is an AD Carry. She is a very good champion bot and against certain match ups they won't even stand a chance but there are a lot of champions that can go toe to toe with Kayle or even just straight up beat her. Also, if you get a smart opponent who baits your E and jukes your ult using brushes instead of standing there attacking you ( like 99% of people do) you will cry.

Also at your previous comment, Kayle is pretty strong so I wouldn't feel like such a special snowflake for playing her and she straight up hard counters Darius so if you lost to one, I'd reconsider your champion choice.

 
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Xela Syab ?? Senior Member
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01-01-2013

You're team composition was better suited for dominion than your opponents. You had 3 high mobility bruisers (Garen, Renek, Singed) I know you "carried" your team to victory, but looking at capping and defending they played their role too.

 
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You're team composition was better suited for dominion than your opponents. You had 3 high mobility bruisers (Garen, Renek, Singed) I know you "carried" your team to victory, but looking at capping and defending they played their role too.
I would like to agree with you but I cannot. The rest of my team that were top did not do much besides feed Caitlyn. The captures that you see on their score there were after I stepped in. The bases we had the whole match was the two closest to our base and the enemies bottom which I held alone agaisnt Kog'maw and whoever deiced to kill me for my 3 deaths. I had 0 assists that match because my team was always away from me being dead or dying at Windmill for nothing but distraction since I spent the whole match at bottom and jungle.

The windmill stayed in the enemies possession the whole match until I was able to kill Caitlyn when she exited the base and entered the jungle beside bottom lane. While my teammates did their part of distraction, I got all the points by holding the 3rd base. I don't want to talk from a high horse because I hate it but the enemy team inside the match and a little bit after the match had said that the other 4 on my team did not deserve their win.

 
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Also at your previous comment, Kayle is pretty strong so I wouldn't feel like such a special snowflake for playing her and she straight up hard counters Darius so if you lost to one, I'd reconsider your champion choice.
I believe you that Kayle beats Darius but unfortunately for myself, I have yet to find the way. Each fight with Darius is the same. Its Apprehend, auto attack, Decimate, auto attack, Crippling Strike, Presses R and takes 0 damage in return. His Apprehend range is 100 less range then my Reckoning range but there is the cast time too.

If you believe that I am a poor Kayle player because I cannot beat Darius, then I am. I'll say it loud for everyone to hear. I cannot beat Darius. There is room for improvement in the way I play but It is outside my reach.

 
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Das Strychnine ?? Senior Member
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I believe you that Kayle beats Darius but unfortunately for myself, I have yet to find the way. Each fight with Darius is the same. Its Apprehend, auto attack, Decimate, auto attack, Crippling Strike, Presses R and takes 0 damage in return. His Apprehend range is equal to my Reckoning range so I cannot poke him.

If you believe that I am a poor Kayle player because I cannot beat Darius, then I am. I'll say it loud for everyone to hear. I cannot beat Darius. There is room for improvement in the way I play but It is outside my reach.
The key is to dodge his E which is pretty easy.From then on just attack while kiting backwards with E. Most AD Carries counter Darius pretty hard, unfortunately do to his kit, he has no gap closer and if he misses his E it's gg, he either has to retreat and wait for it to be off cooldown or get harassed/kited to death. Note: the key here is to only engage on him AFTER he missed his E.

 
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The key is to dodge his E which is pretty easy.From then on just attack while kiting backwards with E. Most AD Carries counter Darius pretty hard, unfortunately do to his kit, he has no gap closer and if he misses his E it's gg, he either has to retreat and wait for it to be off cooldown or get harassed/kited to death. Note: the key here is to only engage on him AFTER he missed his E.
I would say AP carries counter Darius not AD. Most AD carries will die instantly to darius due to them being squishy as hell and having weak crowd control. Mages usually have much stronger CC in their arsenal. Also note that most good darius's either buy boots of mobility on this map or use flash(or ghost). Merely kiting him isn't going to work unless your ezreal.

On a second note Kayle's Ult counters Darius Ult so you will beat him if you have good timing.

 
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Also note that most good darius's either buy boots of mobility on this map or use flash(or ghost). Merely kiting him isn't going to work unless your ezreal.
Wot? I don't even...
O.o

And the ranged poke strips away the BoM extra MS right off.

 
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Wot? I don't even...
O.o

And the ranged poke strips away the BoM extra MS right off.

I didn't even reply to him. I'm sorry but if you can't kite a Darius with Vayne/Ashe/Ezreal/Corki/Caitlyn/etc then you are doing it wrong and need to play another type of champ. Boots of Mobility and being 2 shotted.... Well yeah, if you stand there auto attacking him like a chimp then ofc you will die, his weakness is his range, abuse it.

 
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I didn't even reply to him. I'm sorry but if you can't kite a Darius with Vayne/Ashe/Ezreal/Corki/Caitlyn/etc then you are doing it wrong and need to play another type of champ. Boots of Mobility and being 2 shotted.... Well yeah, if you stand there auto attacking him like a chimp then ofc you will die, his weakness is his range, abuse it.
Ezreal and vayne are the only two valid counters you named against him. And ezreal is a counter to any melee so good job playing ******. All corki will be able to do is be pushed to his tower because if he tries to use his gattling his going to get apprehended and out traded to all hell by darius. And Caitlyn/Ashe vs Darius is the dumbest **** i've heard all day. A permaslow only works if you are chasing them, not the other way around. The reason people don't play ashe because she sucks at kiting.

 
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Ezreal and vayne are the only two valid counters you named against him. And ezreal is a counter to any melee so good job playing ******. All corki will be able to do is be pushed to his tower because if he tries to use his gattling his going to get apprehended and out traded to all hell by darius. And Caitlyn/Ashe vs Darius is the dumbest **** i've heard all day. A permaslow only works if you are chasing them, not the other way around. The reason people don't play ashe because she sucks at kiting.
I pray you never play an AD Carry in my team.