Riven was powerful, and S3 made her stronger. Sorry, I love Riven, but people need to stop calling her weak because they're afraid of nerfs. This is not a champion killer like Diana or Rengar's nerfs were, this is just going to make her less of a lane bully for the early game because she scales so well on farm and kills as it is. Her late game hasn't been touched, which is where she shines anyway, so I don't see a problem.

We cannot let that Battle Bunny Riven go to a waste hehehe ^_^

Shes not really strong anymore, Today, I played as Riven vs Xin Zhao, I got first blood, and then another kill so i was 2-0 at the start, while xin zhao was 0 kills and 2 deaths, xin zhao killed me even when i was fed QQ i am baddie riven for life!

No Pika! You are #1 Riven NA!!!!!!

@ Imverylegendary, I wish i was

I simply can't believe you said that, although you said you love Riven (unless your late game means 20~25 min). She does not shines at late game at all (almost no assassin can shine at late game since assassins are killed before they kill adc). She shows her presence during the mid game if she did good or at minimum decent on her laning phase (If she did bad, good bye Riven for that game). This patch nerfs her early game pretty hard, which means her mid & late game is nerfed hard as well. Get more experience with Riven then talk about her strength and weakness because it seems that you do not know her enough.

My opinion toward PBE patch: Riven do need some nerf on her ult due to Black Cleaver (Brutalizer is now Riven's core item and 10% CD Reduction is guaranteed, so her ult need some minor nerf like CD increase of like 15~20 sec), but PBE nerf goes overboard and make her incapacitated.

Yes, I only "look at number". That's the only valid way to construct an argument.

Additionally, you can't compare two champions. Riot designers have expressed this multiple times in the forums. Each champion has to be balanced separately from other champions and cannot be compared 1-to-1 against individual champions due to the possibilities of different laning choices, lane matchups, and item builds that are possible. This is exactly why balance is so difficult, because very small changes can have large effects, and it's only by comparing the old state to the new state that you can have an idea of how it affects the champion.

You don't have to achieve 100% effectiveness for it to outstrip the old 5 health per 5 seconds efficiency. Additionally, this change was made in order to force Riven players to make the choice to be aggressive when their shield is available and then back off until it's up again. This provides a cadence and counterplay that has not been present in Riven's gameplay, another point brought up by Riot amid these concerns over the so-called nerfs.

The 10 health buff on shield is worth more, so long as you're not a foolish player and never use the shield when you attack/are attacked. You will always negate the same or more damage using the shield than you would have passively with just health regeneration in the same period of time.

You're making sweeping assumptions about Riven players and you're also assuming Riven players will play stupidly and allow themselves to get hit like crazy when their shield is down. The whole point of the change is to encourage active play and discourage Riven from just sitting in the lane playing passively.

My argument also applied to cooldown reduction. Any cooldown reduction also increases the value of the extra 10 health on the shield above and beyond a measly 5 health per 5 seconds.

Additionally, if 5 health is so important to you, just build a dinky Rejuvenation Bead for 180 gold. You can either sell it off later or build it into Tiamat/Ravenous Hydra, and you not only have a stronger shield but the same health regeneration as old Riven.

You make a lot of assumptions as to what people build. Just because YOU don't build it doesn't mean other people don't build it.

Again, if you choose to limit yourself and not build into certain items, that's YOUR choice. The options are there which is why Riot is scaling things back to be more in line with counterplay early game against Riven.

All you've shown here is you don't actually care for a discussion on balance and instead you attacked me directly, which is a strategy used by people who don't actually have anything to add to the true conversation.

The entire point of this change is that it is going to shake up what Riven players are used to and force them to explore new strategies. Just because Riven players may or may not do certain things now doesn't mean new options aren't valid after these changes go into effect. Keep your mind open and minor changes like these won't feel so constricting, but you'll see where you can take advantage of the change instead.

Bump

If she gets a laning phase nerf, she needs some kind of compensation late game.

Here is an idea: Riot nerfs go through, but her ultimate now has an additional passive effect which grants her 10-20-30% armor penetration on BONUS armor. That way armor stacking won't completely shut down riven.

This reminds me of the days bad players cried OP for tryndamere instead of learning how to play against him and riot just bent over and nurfed him into the ground to please the baddies.

Thing is, riven is soooooooo much easier to deal with (stun/root/silence/knockup=riven dead in 1second). These nurfs will put her in a worse place than current tryn. srsly, even right now as riven, you can't do jack in a team fight against a team not afflicted with downs who have like only 2 of the aforementioned forms of cc before you buy qss (or take cleanse and gimp ur laning presence).

Please lets not let riot ditch another champion to the useless bin in order to make place for their next champ which will be broken as hell and cost 7800ip for the first week b4 it gets hotfixed and ruined a few months later down the infernal cycle to make place for yet another pay to gain elo champ...