I absolutely love these two characters. Unfortunately, the LoL community does not seem to agree, as I've never seen them played besides on Urgot's recent free week. I do not believe they are under powered, and actually Karma's quite a bit OP if played as an AP carry. Any thoughts, or am I just playing lousy players? :P

i just recently started playing karma, and i agree she can be very powerful when played ap carry, i also feel she is a GREAT support, heal, shield, and a slow, seems like a perfect support to me

I like urgot, especially since muramana.Karma not so much.

Love Karma. I do feel like she's a bit UP though. I mean, she has level 6 spells at level 18. Why do they all feel like level 5 ones then? That, and the cap on Mantra charges limits the effectiveness of her spells a bit.

Never really got into Urgot.

Urgot is meant to be an anti-carry. Someone used to counter carries. My friend plays urgot. He is ised to shut down an adc which is what he does. Thats why I've seen people go "WOW so op urgot is so op he needs a nerf" or something along those lines. Urgot is really good when played well.

I feel li9ke they are under played because they could be considered hard champions (not that I do) and because there are better champions out there

Urgot is not op, he is fine the way he is, he is hard to play, pretty weak against tanks, and ulti changes game phase either badly or good, its very risky
P.S.guys lets not get him nerfed now XD

Urgot: He does not fit into the current meta very well so he is not played often. If you play him as an adc then your dmg late game is weaker than others because he doesn't build crit. I play him mid and do very well.

Karma: A support champ is a champ that doesn't need items to do their job. Ex: Leona can chain cc even with no gold. The problem with Karma is that she does need gold to be effective. So i would play her mid as an apc.

Hope this helps