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Thin Skin for the win

 
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Sharajat ?? Senior Member
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12-29-2012

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Man I tried the tribunal and went through and really tried to follow the guide lines. I pardoned about seven and punished eleven. The majority of the community agreed with me on EVERY SINGLE punish yet only one of seven pardons did the community agree with me.

I took into account the fact that some people were disrespected first then retaliated and pardoned that.

Maybe I just have thick skin because I grew up in a tough environment and went to the military and then war. Things don't hurt my feelings so when someone said, "Don't be a dumbass" or "You failed" or something similar and only said it once or twice I just pardoned it. Things that I punished were constant harassment of at least 4+ attacks or especially if the other player asked them to please stop and they continued. I also pardoned if it was back and forth harassment because both people were the problem. Any really offensive words (you know what they are) used excessively I also punished. I never punish feeding because it is too hard to tell if they are just not good or if they intentionally feed. Being bad at a game shouldn't be punished.

So, I'm thinking these statistics will probably hold true and maybe I should just punish anyone who says anything remotely offensive to anyone ever who might have thin skin.

Am I the only one who thinks people just smash that report button on anyone who might criticize their playing or insult them in the slightest way when their team loses? I've tried to help people improve by telling them what to buy, where to go, and how to engage and I usually get, "Don't tell me how to play N00B." People now just can't accept that they may be doing something wrong,,,

What ever happened to sticks and stones?

I'm sure I'll get down-voted because I have an opinion that doesn't mirror all the people who are offended easily but, if you're going to down vote my honesty then have the guts to say why in your reply.
What does it matter if your score in the Tribunal isn't high? Is it about getting a perfect rating, or about helping Riot and ourselves by removing toxic members of the community.

I'd say that and your hyper-confrontational attitude are the biggest reasons I think this is a troll post and would downvote you.

 
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Well I agree with you that it is easier to improve skill than it is to improve attitude but your analogy doesn't work because in real life I can't mute the person raging at the team.

I hate ragers don't get me wrong, but the reason I hate ragers is they are causing the team to do worse. When you tell someone having a bad game that they are terrible they will be less likely to turn it around and win.

The guy who is 12/1 and raging at the guy who is 1/8 they are both toxic because to me toxic behavior is behavior that causes me to lose. lol. (sarcasm but I don't want either on my team)
Unfortunately for you Riot has specifically came out and disagreed with this for the environment they want to create.

Like I said initially, I think its great you are doing tribunal and voting your opinion. I wish more people who felt similarly would start doing tribunal and pardoning.

 
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I only call people troll is their only intent on a forums is to post nothing beneficial and make insults to people. I brb, got a game to play /que laughs.
This is the first time I actively made an interesting topic on any forum and all you did since I started posting me is, contradict anything I said without providing facts, insult me, and say that being bad in any ways shape or form is black and white and you should be punished for doing so. You said I flip-flop more than a politician...yet you didn't really provid facts or interesting dialog.

So, yeah I do feel that people tend to get sand in their ****** too much when it comes to this game and just smash the report button. I just tried to say it in a more analytical way.

 
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This is the first time I actively made an interesting topic on any forum and all you did since I started posting me is, contradict anything I said without providing facts, insult me, and say that being bad in any ways shape or form is black and white and you should be punished for doing so. You said I flip-flop more than a politician...yet you didn't really provid facts or interesting dialog.

So, yeah I do feel that people tend to get sand in their ****** too much when it comes to this game and just smash the report button. I just tried to say it in a more analytical way.
You have provided no facts in your statement, just your thoughts and opinions on reporting. You made this thread without any research to backup your thoughts and lack of how Tribunal functions, so one of the reasons I can't take you serious when your posts have so many errors.

 
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Unfortunately for you Riot has specifically came out and disagreed with this for the environment they want to create.

Like I said initially, I think its great you are doing tribunal and voting your opinion. I wish more people who felt similarly would start doing tribunal and pardoning.
Well I think they are right in that way because sportsmanship, humility, grace, and good behavior are more important than winning or losing. I don't disagree with that.
I feel though the line between what is punishable and pardonable is leaning too far toward the punishing of ANYTHING that may hurt feelings in the slightest.

It's like giving every kid a ribbon because they played and not distinguishing between winners and losers because being a loser might make them feel bad.

Being the best and beating the competition to feel a sense of pride in your accomplishments is important...Tough love sometimes is the best way to get better. My dad told me more than once to get my head out of my ass and study harder because I was being an idiot..

 
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You have provided no facts in your statement, just your thoughts and opinions on reporting. You made this thread without any research to backup your thoughts and lack of how Tribunal functions, so one of the reasons I can't take you serious when your posts have so many errors.
Fact #1 - The number of cases reviewed
Fact #2 - The results of said cases

At this point it turned into an opinion based conversation

Provided - My opinions expressed without attacking anyone...
Provided - My brief credentials on my gameplay.
Provided - My opinion on ragers vs feeders and my views on competition.

What facts have you provided?
What opinions other than how everyone else is wrong have you provided?

None

 
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Well I think they are right in that way because sportsmanship, humility, grace, and good behavior are more important than winning or losing. I don't disagree with that.
I feel though the line between what is punishable and pardonable is leaning too far toward the punishing of ANYTHING that may hurt feelings in the slightest.

It's like giving every kid a ribbon because they played and not distinguishing between winners and losers because being a loser might make them feel bad.

Being the best and beating the competition to feel a sense of pride in your accomplishments is important...Tough love sometimes is the best way to get better. My dad told me more than once to get my head out of my ass and study harder because I was being an idiot..
I respect your opinion. I disagree but more than happy to accept what general society would agree with. So if its a bit more rage-y because the populace is okay with it, so be it.

The problem is by and large the people who share your opinion decide the way to respond is to spam punish in tribunal. Which is LITERALLY the exact OPPOSITE of what they want.

 
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What does it matter if your score in the Tribunal isn't high? Is it about getting a perfect rating, or about helping Riot and ourselves by removing toxic members of the community.

I'd say that and your hyper-confrontational attitude are the biggest reasons I think this is a troll post and would downvote you.
Nothing wrong with a little friendly debate and I hate the word troll, I have an opinion that differs from you so it must be a troll post...that is silly I openly welcome opinions without even using that stupid word troll. It is the most overused and unintelligent word on the internet.

 
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Riot owns the game, Riot sets the rule and the standarts for what's acceptable and what's not.

You don't agree?, fine, but that doesn't change that fact.

 
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I respect your opinion. I disagree but more than happy to accept what general society would agree with. So if its a bit more rage-y because the populace is okay with it, so be it.

The problem is by and large the people who share your opinion decide the way to respond is to spam punish in tribunal. Which is LITERALLY the exact OPPOSITE of what they want.
I would never spam punish remember I'm the one who pardoned a bunch of people and got eleven out of eighteen cases correct. I will still go back and do my duty to make the community a better place but I don't feel the answer if just throwing anything slightly offensive out of the community completely.

I don't care about my rating I'm just wondering if everyone feels that punishing any form of toxic behavior is the right thing to do...and that makes me a little sad.