Originally Posted by Tyr Ahn Nee

It is mathematically proven that Runic Bulwark is less bang for the buck. Suck it.

Originally Posted by TealNinje

I take it you haven't been trolling for very long?

Even bad trolls come up with new material when they've run out of things to say.

Originally Posted by TealNinje

I used FoN because it provided 3 ideal stats. The highest effective regen per slot, the highest effective MR per slot, and the ONLY movespeed for tanks. If they had dropped movespeed to 4%, base regen by 50%, and MR by 50%, I would still have used the item, because the triumvirate of stats were that ideal on a tank in some capacity.

Originally Posted by TealNinje

HP regen is useless? Every second you survive is worth another 50+ health, with the old Force of Nature. That's like gaining 475 gold worth of items every 4 seconds. As the tank, you ARE going to take incidental damage.

Even with 36 MR, the item would still be a strong choice for durability, simply because of having a good amount of regen.

If you had had 4% extra movespeed (which get's better with the enchantments), you'd be able to catch that many more people, or get away that much more often.

Now, in order to get a good regen item, you have to forgo tankiness and mobility. If you want a good tanking item, you have to forgo regen and mobility. If you want a good movespeed item, you have to forgo regen and tankiness.

These tradeoffs plain and simply suck for tanks. The new items help mitigate the problems a little bit, but most of the items happen to be better for squishy champions than for tanks. Even Iceborn Gauntlets, which was practically designed for tanks, is better on squishy ranged champions.

Originally Posted by Tyr Ahn Nee

Since Riot's Pre-Season Patch, I've been QQ all over the forums about the removal of certain items and the nerfing of Tanking. Whether in game or on the forums people have been suggesting that I use Runic Bulwark."

Originally Posted by Tyr Ahn Nee

The removed Item that I am QQ about is 'Force of Nature.'

It would seem that when someone suggests Runic Bulwark to TealNinje its okay for TealNinje to say that FoN was just better. But if I say the same, I'm just Trollin'.

Originally Posted by TealNinje

Well, I will admit that was a decent attempt, but it's still the same material. Trying to put words into peoples' mouths is an awful way to troll, especially on a forum where everyone can see exactly what was said.

Originally Posted by Tyr Ahn Nee

Reading and Seeing are two entirely different things.
Are you saying that you didn't say that "force of nature was better than all currently existing MR items???"
Are you saying that you didn't say that "Force of nature" is/was a better item for tanking than all currently existing MR items???

Originally Posted by Tyr Ahn Nee

But, I did do the math.
And here it is. I saved it.


The Runic Bulwark absorbs both the Aegis of the Legion and the Null-Magic Mantle, granting the tremendous addition of 5 pts of magic resist. 5!!! FIVE!!!
And, you will also note, that there is no increase in Armor pts between the Aegis of the Legion and the Runic Bulwark. Aegis of the Legion provides 30 armor pts.
Runic Bulwark provides 30 armor pts. so your statement: "You also gained Armor" is a flat out lie.

The Runic Bulwark is a waste of gold and time.

Waste of Gold, as in, for 1200gold you get 150 HP and 5pts of magic resist!!!
That's a Troll.

Originally Posted by TealNinje

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Because FoN was very expensive, and certainly wasn't better than the current MR items, especially not the new Spirit Visage and Runic Bulwark. Force of Nature was potent because of all 3 stats. You bought it because you needed all 3 stats. The combination of stats are still not available anywhere in the tank's item tree (with Spirit Visage taking over the MR/Regen slot, but still having less regen than Force of Nature.)