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I am convinced ELO hell exists in some form, though its not what people think it is.

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Dodo Torpedo ?? Senior Member
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01-12-2013

You probably read the title and thought "Oh great another scrub complaining about elo hell." Well you would be wrong with that thought of yours. After today's games being really abysmal and having similar reasons for the loss I have come to the conclusion that ELO hell does exist in some form though as the title suggests, its not the usual "Bad players, bad teammates."

Yes ELO Hell is a state of mind but there is a reason people are convinced it exists. Its the attitudes and perceptions of players. My most recent quadruple loss streak was, and I kid you not, due to our teams being demoralized by so much. People have games where they do bad, its something that even pros become victims of. More games are lost below platinum due to demoralization than mechanics and game awareness.

The demoralization of the team comes from the kids who blame others or outside sources for their mistakes. My last game had an Ezreal that did nothing but whine, spending more time standing still than actually farming or simply moving and this caused our Kayle to abandon her lane and assist me top because the ADC was playing horribly and had 25cs at 10 minutes with 4 deaths to their bot lane. All he did was blame Kayle despite him burning his E to initiate fights even when Kayle was recovering from a poke or knew the fight would be lost. It got so bad that everyone, which includes BOTH teams, told him to grow up and quit acting like a child.

Then you have players like the Vayne in my Morde game. Vayne died from an invade then promptly died in lane again blaming her support and the jungler for not helping. Throughout the game the words "Noob" and "******" came out over 70 times each, lost count afterwards. It may sound like I am blaming others for my losses but I do my best and focus on my own gameplay, attempting to keep the team together. I very rarely rage myself though I do it sometimes. Its hard to force a game to go your way when one single person does nothing but surrender vote every time its available due to being behind by one tower or 5 kills or constantly whines and won't take any advice or shut up. It just demoralizes the team and it influences their gameplay, making mistakes, not being able to concentrate, etc.

ELO Hell is not any specific point in the ladder. Instead it is the entire spectrum. If the attitudes of the players changed then you would see some major improvements in the quality of games meaning less "Mid or feed", arguing over roles, feeders, trolls, etc. However since League of Legends is home to the most volatile community in the gaming industry we will never see that change.

I have seen some really amazing players even in 800 ELO and I have seen some that seem to be complete trash when in reality they were merely a victim of just having a bad game. I wish people could recognize that one single game doesn't give you any right to judge their skill or knowledge of the game itself.

 
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Sukknasty ?? Junior Member
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01-13-2013

N B 4 the diamond player saying, "you are where you should be." I love how they give insight.

 
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Selcopa ?? Senior Member
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01-13-2013

2 main things I thought i'd comment on


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ELO Hell is not any specific point in the ladder. Instead it is the entire spectrum. If the attitudes of the players changed then you would see some major improvements in the quality of games meaning less "Mid or feed", arguing over roles, feeders, trolls, etc. However since League of Legends is home to the most volatile community in the gaming industry we will never see that change.
If it covers the entire spectrum, the by definition it isn't elo hell, elo hell is supposed to be a place that is worse than the rest of the spectrum.

I will say that people have said the Korean servers have significantly less trolling than NA servers, cultural difference maybe but we also have a very high number of people playing, there are so many not-******bags around eventually you start getting some tools.


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I have seen some really amazing players even in 800 ELO and I have seen some that seem to be complete trash when in reality they were merely a victim of just having a bad game. I wish people could recognize that one single game doesn't give you any right to judge their skill or knowledge of the game itself.
I've touched on this before, this is the result of how many different ways one can be skilled at the game. There are literally hundreds of different scenarios, and if you are prepared for one, you will have an edge, when you are not prepared, players are able to surprise you and force you to make mistakes.

You are right that 1 game does not define a player, 1 good game doesn't mean a player belongs 200 points higher, nor does 1 bad game mean 200 points lower.

All you can do is worry about yourself, if that means you need to mute your teammates, do it.

 
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01-13-2013

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2 main things I thought i'd comment on



If it covers the entire spectrum, the by definition it isn't elo hell, elo hell is supposed to be a place that is worse than the rest of the spectrum.

I will say that people have said the Korean servers have significantly less trolling than NA servers, cultural difference maybe but we also have a very high number of people playing, there are so many not-******bags around eventually you start getting some tools.




I've touched on this before, this is the result of how many different ways one can be skilled at the game. There are literally hundreds of different scenarios, and if you are prepared for one, you will have an edge, when you are not prepared, players are able to surprise you and force you to make mistakes.

You are right that 1 game does not define a player, 1 good game doesn't mean a player belongs 200 points higher, nor does 1 bad game mean 200 points lower.

All you can do is worry about yourself, if that means you need to mute your teammates, do it.
My God I am sick of people like you who say there isn't a Elo range that is literally unmanageable. You can play with people more cohesively at gold, at silver 3/5 players are feeding (most of the time) and lack basic mechanics.

 
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01-13-2013

Seriously, there only one thing, is all about how aggressive you are. On a 1000-1550 elo game you need to be ballz DEEP as ****. meaning going 8/0/10 mean nothing at all.

Playing safe and only go in when you can pick kill and not get killed is a really bad idea on how to play in 1000-1550 elo.

When your team go in with 4 against 5 and you do know there is a high rate chance that your team will actualy die, don't back just go in busrt as much as you can. You rather be 12/13, then a 8/0 player that doesn't get in. Being aggressive in that elo bracket 1000-1550 is the only way you'll be winning more then you'll lose. Don't play safely, play ballzy!! Only way you'll go up to gold. Else you'll be sitting with a 50% win ratio, sitting in your low elo game and won't understand why even with all your legendary game your still in low elo when other of your friend with negative kd are going up, negative in the meaning of 0.01 to 0.99 kd rating.

Ballzy is the only way to solo queue, rather be 10/10 then 10/0, think this way you'll be going up.

 
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Dodo Torpedo ?? Senior Member
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01-14-2013

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Seriously, there only one thing, is all about how aggressive you are. On a 1000-1550 elo game you need to be ballz DEEP as ****. meaning going 8/0/10 mean nothing at all.

Playing safe and only go in when you can pick kill and not get killed is a really bad idea on how to play in 1000-1550 elo.

When your team go in with 4 against 5 and you do know there is a high rate chance that your team will actualy die, don't back just go in busrt as much as you can. You rather be 12/13, then a 8/0 player that doesn't get in. Being aggressive in that elo bracket 1000-1550 is the only way you'll be winning more then you'll lose. Don't play safely, play ballzy!! Only way you'll go up to gold. Else you'll be sitting with a 50% win ratio, sitting in your low elo game and won't understand why even with all your legendary game your still in low elo when other of your friend with negative kd are going up, negative in the meaning of 0.01 to 0.99 kd rating.

Ballzy is the only way to solo queue, rather be 10/10 then 10/0, think this way you'll be going up.
Sadly you don't know anything. Going balls deep just because everyone else does it doesnt mean anything. If the enemy has any sense or the right composition they will just wait for you to go "balls deep" as you say and let you tank turret shots while they rip your team apart. A 12/13 will demoralize your team more than that 8/0 and more mistakes will be made due to that. I have personally watched groups of 3 and even 4 try to tower dive a bot lane like Nunu and Caitlyn only to get nuked into oblivion and feed the ADC 2+ kills.

 
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sepetaiya ?? Senior Member
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01-14-2013

the correct definition of elo hell is the place where the skill levels of the players are varied beyond a balanced rate and where the more troll-like team always loses. (luck with teamates ftw)

 
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Sansejin ?? Member
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01-16-2013

I still want to see a diamond player "carry hard" out of 700 elo. I want video proof.

I'm convinced that the difference between many of those below 1200 and above 1200 is a combination of luck, knowing when to play(the statistical lowest bad player/troll times) and having a reliable partner to duo with.

Oh, and the skill comes in there somewhere, I mean, it does have to be there, but it's not all skill.

 
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Jeremyls ?? Senior Member
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01-16-2013

the bad part of elo hell is when you jump straight into ranked at lvl 30 and suck. That was me, now i am rarely in the negative( look at my k/d/a ratios) . I am slowly crawling out and every time i do start to gain ground i end up being the only person with a positive score in like a 10- 70 game... elo hell is real it does exist and you can carry yourself out of it , just takes alot of patience and you have to end up being better at all 5 positions( because of lane trolls) then most higher rated players are at 2

 
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Kunovega ?? Senior Member
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01-16-2013

Part of it is the meta beyond the game

Finding times to play when less ****bags are online

Finding a decent partner that can play on a regular basis

Finding a time to play when you can get a team that actually speaks your language

Being aware of physical limitations of your current play environment (Our wireless network blows chunks, our wired connection is respectable)

Playing when you can actually focus on the game and not have 10000 interruptions from real life

I could go on...

The reality is I believe a lot of people stuck in ELO hell may actually have good ideas of how to play, might even have really great strategies. The problem is that even with intelligent people they sometimes have a greater conceptual understanding of an issue but lack the implementation or a wider awareness of all the other issues

I will use myself as an example:

I have 169 IQ (not actually trying to brag, I'm going somewhere with this and need a starting point to put it in perspective). I'm just saying that on paper it sounds like I'm smart; but I'm well aware of just how big an idiot I can be and of the mistakes I make from either not paying attention or just being careless.

I have a very deep understanding of the concepts in the game, I understand the tactics and the roles each champ should play. I also have 36+ years of video game playing experience. I can sit here and explain to you in depth the details of the winning strategies of the top players in this game.

Does any of that matter when it comes to my ELO? no. I suck and here's why:

1. My current living arrangements normally have me on a bad wireless connection, could I plug in? sometimes but I'm usually too tired to bother (have to move rooms, deal with other tenants in the building, 100 other things you wont care about, etc). This means some of my losses are from bad connections. All? no, but enough to contribute.

2. I actually hate typing while I play. I much prefer a teamspeak option of some form, but the reality is most of the time I'm playing random pickup games and just don't feel like typing. That makes me a sub par teammate just from my occasional lack of communication. My skills are irrelevant on this point; my attitude on this makes me bad in pickup games.

3. I play at weird off hours, I'm rarely available at peak times. I end up in teams with people who don't speak English even if I felt like typing to them. I don't blame them, they probably wanted someone who speaks their language too. Either way, no matter what I do if we fail to coordinate its not exactly optimal team performance. At least if they spoke English I could follow directions even if I wasnt typing back all the time.

4. Sometimes I just feel like experimenting. I can carry a team with Nasus to a win almost no matter how bad they are so long as they just dont surrender and the other team is only as average as the rest of my team. But there are days I feel like trying a new build or responding with a variation in tactics. There are a lot of people who will surrender as soon as they see you do something they dont agree with. They dont realize that if the game is already at 40 minutes all they need to do is go distract the enemy team whlie I push a lane and win; nope, they'd rather surrender because I dont show a huge interest in team fights (I do with other champs but with Nasus I tend to just build him up and crush a lane when no ones looking). Instead I end up with many lost games where I was actually about to win and my team surrenders. The fault? partially mine, I could have taken the time to explain my logic or strategy I just dont feel like typing out a books worth of logic to people who dont already "get it"

5. I have limited champs that Im actually REALLY good with. I think this is probably true with a lot of people who fail in ranked. I'm at least aware that I should be getting better at other champs and other roles, I just dont put the time in to do it. I've had some of the best players in the game compliment me on my skills; but with a grand total of 3 champs. In ranked those 3 champs are either: banned, picked before I get them or their role is filled by someone else on my team so even me picking my "best" might mean Im gimping my overall team composition. This is where many people cant face the reality that it is their fault. I should be trying to get good with at least 10 or 20 champs so there is always a role I can fill; instead I'm a really good top lane pusher, an ok mid or bottom lane player, a pretty darn good tank and a horrible jungler. I'm fully aware that when Im not top or a tank Im simply not at my best and my team suffers for it.

6. Basically what Im getting at is no matter how good i am (or think I am), the only time I can "prove" this is in a constructed environment: When I play with a set of friends who I trust and all have mumble and I'm hardwired (not wireless) and I have no distractions in the real world going on and Im allowed to pick one of the champs Im actually REALLY good with and left in a role that I can perform properly. Well, we rarely lose; I think our teams win rate at one point was easily 95%. But that couple of hundred games played together (in total) accounts for what? maybe 10% of my overall total games?

So yea in concept I may be a good (even great) player, but only under ideal circumstance, circumstances that I rarely ever get to play in, partially out of situational life choices that are beyond the scope of the game and partially because I dont dedicate enough of my actual game time to getting better at the parts of the game I suck at (quite possibly worst jungler in the world)

So theres your meta; I've only touched on a small portion of things that can affect the game which go far beyond just understanding how to play. Its how you fit the game into your life, its how you decide to interact with the other players, its how much of the game you are prepared to handle beyond your specialties and on and on...

So there, Im a bad player with a low ELO, not because Im actually bad at the game but because I havent incorporated it into my life in a way that would allow me to show off my full potential.

All I can say in my own defense is at least I know I'm an idiot, most of the people in my ELO hell are so busy blaming everyone else they cant see that a large portion of the problem might just be themselves.

You want to ELO like a pro? You need to prep from a meta perspective, its not being good at the game its approaching it in the right way all the time.

Good connection, good time of day for your language, group of friends who have teamspeak/mumble, wide range of champs and roles you can fill with more than adequate skill, a full awareness of the need and the ability to communicate effectively, a living situation with few interruptions, etc. Now duplicate that 100+ games. ELO gain is as much about attitude and prep work as it is raw skill; we can all understand the game or even specialize in parts of it, but implementing it on a consistent basis is more than just playing random pickup games and blaming it on everyone else when your ELO goes down.

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