Just because he holds a badge doesn't mean he's an expert on every champ. He talked smack about something he didn't know and I called him out on it. Problem?

I would agree his Ult was very strong... but it also is supposed to be strong since it's an ultimate. Lots of champions have AoE damage ults which are very strong. 20%+ damage reduction nerf though? C'mon that is a little bit steep

I would agree that AD casters have benefited by the item changes but I'd say the huge benefactors are the bruisers. Talon benefited from a single item: The Black Cleaver, which already has gotten nerfed.

I look at Talon's under 5% played statistic and wonder, if this champ was so OP that it needed an across the board nerf, why was it played so little. Or was it really that AP Mids whined about being countered on the forums because their precious meta had a crack in it.

If they didn't nerf him, Talon would be incredibly strong late game. Since they fixed the bug, all of the damage Talon did before this patch would be increased by 15% in late game, and that's a lot of damage considering Talon is an assassin. As an assassin he is able to kill your ADC, who has probably around 2000-2200 HP (this is just a rough estimate, he'll most likely have a little more). Increase that by 15% and that's an extra 300-330 damage, which is a freaking huge buff for Talon. So to compensate, they nerfed the damage of Talon's Q bleed and R, but it the bug fix was a bigger buff than the nerf this patch.

I am an experienced Talon player. I NEVER play against other talons, if ever. The recent nerf hurt more then it balanced talon out, especially considering his E is leveled LAST. As a mid, talon relies on his burst damage, or in team fights taking out the AD/AP carry.

I understand lowering the range of R, it was pretty big, but then they nerfed his q! His bleed hardly did damage as is. Teemos darts would deal more damage in one tick then talons bleed overall. The amount of damage reduced on his spells was far greater then the 15% bonus he gets from E (max level which comes last). Talons burst is hardly a burst anymore. It would be cheap if they didn't touch his damage, and i understand why they did, but they hit it a little too hard.

On another note: am i dumb for using exhaust instead of flash? His passive gives him a 10% damage increase to slowed targets, and that helps with his (nerfed) burst, but everyone sticks with flash. I use frozen mallet late game to help with the passive.

Called him out on what you think he doesn't know. Because we all know assumptions are the fastest way to the truth, right?
Yeah, ultimates are supposed to be strong. Talon's STILL is strong. Considering it hits twice, it's 240/340/440 +1.5 bonus AD to all enemies in range. There are very few ultimates that deal similar damage on a similar cooldown that also make the user invisible, allowing them to reposition and perfectly assassinate their main target.
It lost a tiny bit of shred and ArPen. Plus you're completely ignoring Last Whisper (because of ArPen/Shred order change), Gauntlet (because free slow is free steroid for Talon), and the buff to Bloodthirster's base stats. Just to name 3 things.
Talon is an anti-AP mid, I agree he should be able to take them down easy. Thing is, he already does that without his ultimate, so I don't see why a dent in his ulti's damage would matter much.

once talon get brutalizer, you're ****ed. Doesn't matter if he's 0/0/0 and that's his only item. I'm glad they nerfed him.

reds need to respond to this, why nerf an underplayed UNDERPOWERED champion?

You're leading with the assumption that he knows the champ because of a badge... despite demonstrating he doesn't know by the content of his statement. You're the one making assumptions.

I would say it is uncommon for Talon to hit target with his ult twice. More often than not, he needs the initial stealth to get into a fight safely, on his way in, probably only 1-2 people will be hit by the ult. If a team lets talon arrive into the center of everyone completely unharassed, they deserve what they get.The stealth utility is nice, but there are plenty of counters to stealth available.

120/170/220 +0.75 is rather underwhelming for an assassin's burst. See Xin Zhao, Darius, Fiora ults.


Black Cleaver stacking was removed, which was the OP part of it. Last Whisper change benefits all ADs... and is an uncommon to rush the item. Gauntlet would be silly to build on talon due to it's AP base. Gold better spent elsewhere. BT comes out basically the same after farm.


There is a 20% nerf to both his Q and R.

You would be right in saying I'm assuming. The thing is, I'm assuming he has a general understanding of the game because not just any dumbass can get a badge.

It's possible he doesn't know about Talon, but that would also be assuming. Considering what he said was fully true though, I'm assuming he knows what he was saying.
It's not hard at all. E to center of fight, R.

And yeah, there's counter-stealth. If there wasn't, he'd be ****ing godlike.
240/340/440 +1.5

And the only one you compared him to that is actually anywhere near being an assassin is Xin Zhao, who deals 125/225/325 +1.0, +10% of enemies' current HP. Fiora is a melee carry, and Darius is a fighter. Equivalent comparison, not random bull****ting.
Oh yes, we're back on Black Cleaver being "OP" when some ****** found out you could gain the benefits of flat pen and HP from multiple cleavers and they got fed as hell. Never mind that it really takes no time to get 4 ticks of physical damage on a target for maximum shred, or that the item is still insanely good.

Last Whisper's not a rush item, but it was buffed.

The only people who say that Sheen items are a waste because the AP or the Mana can't be used on a particular champion are the closed-minded idiots who wonder why Akali is wrecking their **** with just Lich Bane and Kage's Pick. Gauntlet is amazing if you aren't already going with Mallet, and if you are then you can get Trinity Force instead which deals even more damage. "But that has AP too!" Yeah? Problem?

Yeah, Bloodthirster comes out the same eventually.
The "nerf" to his Q is on the BLEED DAMAGE, you complete moron. The base +150 +0.3 bonus AD is STILL there.

Yes, his ulti got nerfed. Big. ****ing. Deal. He still deals plenty of burst damage.

he doesn't do plenty of burst damage you tool, he does the least burst damage of any assassian now, of ANY assassian, his numbers match sona's damage numbers now, you're simply a tool that nuthugs riot's every decision trying to get free rp, go cut yourself clown

And you're just a *****ing 7-year-old who can't ****ing handle so much as an iota of game changing data because you lack the processing power of a potato battery and have the flexibility of a lead bar.

Hey look, I can give and take this ****. Now can you provide me with data that the loss of 80 damage to his ultimate late-game actually broke Talon?