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Originally Posted by Raviance
Here we go framing both sides again. Actually I say its terrible because it tastes like cows meat to me. You believe theories are not theories but absolutes. You gave an example of how a game works in DotA as if it works that way every single time, another absolute... but it's does not, it just tastes like cow meat..
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2. I'm pretty sure he didn't state that "the game feels more snowbally to me" and instead said I paraphrase "DotA more snowbally" He made a claim about the nature of reality that can be tested.
3. If theories were absolute then criticizing them would be pointless. It confuses me to why you believe that I'm consciously trying to doing something I myself believe is pointless.
He made a statement claiming that DotA out snowballs LoL. I stated that half of DotA games have turnabouts because of scaling. AP doesn't scale so they are stronger without gold as opposed to AD whom scales with gold. This leads to AP having an advantage during the beginning where gold is scarce, but AD having the advantage when gold is abundant. An AP team, all things equal, will have the advantage early in the game. They were designed that way.
I said around 50% of the time, not 100% of the time. I understand that there are people who fall into DotA elo hell where everyone picks a carry and doesn't know what they're doing, causing any advantage to be completely overlooked out of the lack of ability and control on the player's part. Nowhere did I state that it happens 100% of the time. The one dealing in absolutes isn't me. You have the wrong person.
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Originally Posted by Raviance
@wwong3,
The interesting thing is you present evidence to your argument as fact when it is simply a reason why you have the opinion on why a surrender is not needed. It is your observation that every game will play out a certain way based off of team composition. I guess you are the authority on DotA but your description of the game play sounds quite redundant and boring. Maybe they hold the interest of players by allowing custom skins and different voices. |
If you find it boring that a team is striving to grab objectives before the timer runs out, while the other team is trying desperately to survive until the timer balances out their power, then I say to you : everyone has their unique tastes. That's fine. I know people who don't like anything but fighting games and they find all strategy games across the board boring. That's understandable, so whatever.
If composing your team to perfectly survive the early game, yet win the late game or to counter the opposing team (we're up to mind games now) is boring, then so be it.
If composing your team to have multiplayer combos while trying to disrupt your opponents multiplayer combos, both in picking and gaming phase, is boring to you then for you it is redundant and boring. I personally find two sides grinding gold to buy power to win fights to snowball to force surrender, a bit more redundant and boring. Others may find it stressful and exciting in trying to keep ahead in the gold farm else they lose in the snowball war.
Now what really got me was this line "Maybe they hold the interest of players by allowing custom skins and different voices." because you act like everyone is exactly like you in your belittlement of the game. Which is kinda cute considering you were accusing me of having faith and complete certainty in science. But here's the thing, that's not what he's saying. He means that it's factual, that's it's provable, that's it's demonstrable as well as justified, and then fail to give any amount of support for it. So I give this analogy...
Creationist : The god of my religion created everything and here's the proof, the irrefutable evidence! => Evolution is only a theory!
That's what you're supporting... you know that right?
My position is simply one that calls bulls-hit, then explain why.
I personally find the control and freedom in DotA more enjoyable than LoL. It is rare for me to ever feel like surrendering in DotA as there are simply more options to deal with any given situation than league of legends. To top it all off, because of the extra control, risk can be manipulated and so can reward though of course both sides are actively trying to control the situation. If you kill someone, it shuts them down in DotA in terms of snowballing due to the gold loss. If you get killed, you get shut down, you stop snowballing. This is of course, if your hero requires gold to snowball. A hero that requires no gold will not snowball, nor be shut down. This is very important because someone who hasn't been shut down can still participate in stopping snowballs. What's more is that unlike LoL, there is no ironclad rule that states, winning teamfights is a must, there is nothing stopping a 5x pusher team in DotA to win against a cookie cutter 1/1/2/jungle team, because there are more game changing *objectives* in DotA than just winning the teamfight is required to winning the game. Even if the situation gets to the point that you have a 100% chance of losing a teamfight, it still doesn't mean you'll lose the game. It just means you have to pick another option. This doesn't really happen too often in LoL.
Edit : No, I don't think creationists are nuts. I just feel lazy and instead of repeating -> people who cover their ears when corrected, refuse to accept evidence, and continue on spewing s-hit are deceitful and/or in denial and it just so happens that this definition covers most of creationist society. The quote I presented over and over again is "Evolution is only a theory." not "I have reason to believe a higher power created the world". One is the claim that a Scientific Theory is nothing but a meritless guess, the other is completely relateable and, ironically enough understandable through psychology/sociology. I respected you enough to read your post, why you not do the same for me? :|
