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Riven need a repatch?

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Arientus ?? Senior Member
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01-17-2013

I played 4 games of riven. I know when she first came out, she was as broken as her sword. But they nerfed her correctly. Now it's just horrible.

I played against top champs with no real armor pen or damage, like zed. I was WAY to squishy.

My standard starting item is Dorans Shield. Little bit of armor, little bit of health regen.

However, the fact that her health regen was reduced by half reduced my health regen from 5.0 at level 6 (with shield) to 2.2 at level 6.

Her ult cooldown is too long. The Zed could use his ult twice before i could use it once. And lets face it, the only thing we use the ult for is the wing slash, to finish off the champ. Now i can't even do that, because i have to be extra extra careful because even with cloth armor and dorans shield, i'm still left with no sustain and virtually no armor.

The Q cooldown I can understand, massive bursting damage. But to secretly nerf the range of her charge, she can't get in the fight fast enough.


I'm asking for a repatch, my favorite champion is now trash compared to any other champion no matter how you play them.

 
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Yasei Doubutsu ?? Member
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01-17-2013

Riven did need that nerf, I dont like how the dash was shortened and no one knew about it though. But heres the thing when other champs get nerfed or buffed other champs need to be nerfed and buffed aswell to keep balance.

All you can hope for is rivens R to be on a slightly lowered CD.
Or other champs like the Zed to have there R's on a slightly higher CD.

 
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Rikkhan ?? Junior Member
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01-17-2013

I also main riven, and i feel she is pretty good at the moment, R nerf was needed because before you can literally engage with R, get kill, and by the time the enemy returns to the lane R was up, health regen nerf hurts but isnt that bad, I havent noticed about the dash nerf but now that I think it feels shorter .

The thing about Riven its that she is not as durable as others bruisers so you really need to know when to engage, she has high damage and has great mobility, so she kinda a hybrid bruiser/assasin.

 
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ImANoobInLeague ?? Senior Member
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01-17-2013

If you don't like to play with her because she got nerfed then don't simple as that. For example, I still play as talon at mid and he did get nerfed on the damage output for his a and his ultimate ratio went from .9 to .75. Yet I still play him and still manage not to win my lane. Just because the champion you think got really weak after a patch doesn't mean the champ is garbage, I'm pretty sure it's the user. Have a nice day

 
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Arientus ?? Senior Member
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01-18-2013

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Originally Posted by ImANoobInLeague View Post
If you don't like to play with her because she got nerfed then don't simple as that. For example, I still play as talon at mid and he did get nerfed on the damage output for his a and his ultimate ratio went from .9 to .75. Yet I still play him and still manage not to win my lane. Just because the champion you think got really weak after a patch doesn't mean the champ is garbage, I'm pretty sure it's the user. Have a nice day
The difference is Talon still has high damage output. I'm not saying Riven doesn't, she is just too squishy and doesn't have enough sustain to make up for it. Talon is a bursting champ. E onto them, attack, then Q to reset timer, W, then ult twice. Free kill. Any sort of CC can destroy a bruiser alltogether. She avoids that by dashing out of things like Cho'Gath's Rupture. She can't do that anymore. If she can't dodge anymore she needs more tankiness or at least more sustainability.

 
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Mothalius ?? Senior Member
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01-18-2013

No you're right, the nerf was totally uncalled for. We'll just let her keep dominating top lane like she was born there. You agree she needed to be balanced, but once she gets balanced, nope. Instantly useless. You make my brain hurt, you child.

 
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Arientus ?? Senior Member
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No you're right, the nerf was totally uncalled for. We'll just let her keep dominating top lane like she was born there. You agree she needed to be balanced, but once she gets balanced, nope. Instantly useless. You make my brain hurt, you child.

I'm not saying she was completely unfair before, I'm saying sure they could have nerfed some things, but they just completely destroyed her. She has NO sustainability in lane, she has to build nothing but armor and health to withstand ANY attacks from the enemy. The ult cooldown i can understand but it was a bit too much, compared to others ults, Riven's ult wasn't that OP.

If you want to make someone balanced, you can't nerf their tankiness AND their sustain. That just makes them open to SERIOUS damage and no way to get their health back.

You didn't have to be rude either.

 
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01-18-2013

" Base health regen reduced to 6 from 10.4
Health regen per level reduced to 0.5 from 0.9

Valor
Shield amount increased to 70/100/130/160/190 from 60/90/120/150/180

Blade of the Exile
Cooldown increased to 110/80/50 seconds from 75/60/45
Targeting cone is now attached to Riven"

That's a reduction of 4.4 health per 5 (or 0.88 per second), and a buff of 10 shield. Her E cooldown is 10 seconds at rank 1 (or 1 shield per second). So if you use Riven's shield right off cooldown and block damage with it, you'll block more damage than you would have regened.

Riven's ult received a MUCH needed nerf. She could easily just ult, kill you, recall, come back to lane - and immediately ult again.

 
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Arientus ?? Senior Member
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" Base health regen reduced to 6 from 10.4
Health regen per level reduced to 0.5 from 0.9

Valor
Shield amount increased to 70/100/130/160/190 from 60/90/120/150/180

Blade of the Exile
Cooldown increased to 110/80/50 seconds from 75/60/45
Targeting cone is now attached to Riven"

That's a reduction of 4.4 health per 5 (or 0.88 per second), and a buff of 10 shield. Her E cooldown is 10 seconds at rank 1 (or 1 shield per second). So if you use Riven's shield right off cooldown and block damage with it, you'll block more damage than you would have regened.

Riven's ult received a MUCH needed nerf. She could easily just ult, kill you, recall, come back to lane - and immediately ult again.
I do have to agree her ult could have much needed reduction, but now i think it's the third longest level 1 ultimate 2nd being shen 3rd being nocturne

I have to be honest, since her E isn't even level 2 until level 9, then she can't really block any damage. Unless you max E first instead of Q, then you'd have no damage output.

 
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LimitOne ?? Junior Member
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01-18-2013

I agree her ult needed the nerf, but I do think they went too far with nerfing her HP regen. Riven needs to hard engage when she goes for trades, but going against ranged casters on top lane is now terror for riven. After she engages and does her dmg, the enemy just pokes you down with ranged autos as you retreat, and you NEVER win trades. With her low regen, the dmg sticks, and you rarely regain anything. (I start cloth 5 as well)

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